Abortion is not murder its a choice and if i ever got a girl pregnant she is getting one and a man should be able to suggest that because it takes two people to make babies and mistakes happen and you may say women suffer but in the long run the man would suffer more.

Monkee is right...abortion is murder...if we go to jail for murdering a 5 year old, why not a child who is in her mother's womb still? It's your choice to have sex (unless raped as so stated before) so you should be prepared for the consequences...if your ready to have sex, then you're ready to have a child is the way I see. And if you do have an abortion, you'll live with that guilt for the rest of your life and if you have other kids they'll spend they're time wondering why they're did it to they're older sibling and not to them...or if they too were almost aborted....I know...mmy mom had an abortion before I was born. I love that song "Third Voice". If no one's ever heard it it talks about listening to the third voice (the baby) before you make the decision to have it or not.

I think a good majority of people believe Abortion is murder. I agree with those people also. I feel that instead of everyone agreeing say, "It's murder." and so on why don't we take a stand. There has to be something we can do to make a common ground agreement with those that are for it.

abortion is something that people really shouldnt think about! i believe the only exception to this is if you were raped! other then that it was your decision to have sex and its your responsibility to have the baby! your choices your consequences.abortion is no answer to get yourself out of responsibility. its really a crime to kill a living being! its one of the worst things you can do to yourself and to the unborn child who has no say in anything that you do. if the child were to talk it would tell you how stupid you are and how emotionally scared you will be. just think of how you will feel after you killed the child!

Learn to write correctly. You sound like you attend Roxborough High or something...

Ok. For the tenth time:

Life begins neither at conception or at some weird time specified by confused pro-choicers. It's an endless cycle that includes the gametes as well as the zygotes, embryos, fetuses, etc. Therefore, you can't use the "It's life" or "It isn't life" arguments. Yes. It's all life. Yes. Abortion kills something. That's the bloody point, isn't it?

The real question isn't if abortion is killing or murder or whatever, or if we can define the abortee as human life. The question is of moral jusitification.

I'm sorry but abortion is murder. once something has life such as when you know your pregnant you already have life inside you. the moment you get an abortion is the moment that life inside you is sudennly choking and suffering! what if you mother had of aborted you? will you still feel the same way about abortions? No, Because you wouldn't be here!

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Why do you still fight this steph? Abortion is not murder and you know it, the fetus is an extention of the womans body, The woman has the right to remove anything she desires. This isn't about murder it's about rights.

I let you have your fun!! Now it's my turn heehee. I refuse to debate with anyone I've already debated with tho. The new ones are fun. The get squirmish haha

That was one of the most insanely retarted exchanges I have ever seen.

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Meagan87 it's really stupid to say that you shouldn't respond to posts because "Few new people will actually come back to see the replies to their statements over a month later." I don't think you are an expert and know when or how often youth around the world log onto YouthNoise and how often they check back on their forums. Also I prove you way wrong by writing this because it's many months later. I bet you will try to prove me wrong by not responding, but oh I know you are reading this...

Yes I am reading this activista...as you can tell, I'm quite active on the boards, when I have access to a computer, I check the boards at least once a day. HOWEVER the person you were bothering to argue with posted twice in the only 2 months that she has been a member. I have been here long enough to know that when this happens it USUALLY means that they probably forgot about YN and we will never see them again. I didn't say "NO new people will actually come back". I said "FEW" which, if you ask anyone who is active on the boards, is quite accurate.

You hardly fall into the category of a new person...you've been around for almost 2 years...you've felt the magnetic pull that is YN...I'm not at all surprised to see you back here.

Why do you still fight this steph? Abortion is not murder and you know it, the fetus is an extention of the womans body, The woman has the right to remove anything she desires. This isn't about murder it's about rights.

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anyway Abortion is NOT murder, the fetus does not feel pain, the woman should have the right to choose, and anyone who has not been raped has no right to ban abortion.

Who are we to say who feels pain and who doesn't. To say it isn't murder is to say an bird egg doesn't contain contents of a baby bird .Mother birds are very protective of their eggs, tell me why is it if it contains nothing and isn't a baby inside why is it that the mother would get so protective?

If an abortion isn't done, tell me what becomes of the fetus??

Meagan87 it's really stupid to say that you shouldn't respond to posts because "Few new people will actually come back to see the replies to their statements over a month later." I don't think you are an expert and know when or how often youth around the world log onto YouthNoise and how often they check back on their forums. Also I prove you way wrong by writing this because it's many months later. I bet you will try to prove me wrong by not responding, but oh I know you are reading this...

anyway Abortion is NOT murder, the fetus does not feel pain, the woman should have the right to choose, and anyone who has not been raped has no right to ban abortion.

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Originally posted by SoftballLauren:
Im kind of partial on this issue.

Im more for pro-choice. But i do think that women should consider adoption before they think about an abortion.

women should have the choice on what to do with her body. b]

I agree!! I'm not quite sure what to think about abourtion... but i know that the MOTHER should have the choice. The government should not be able to make our choices! They are the ones representing us! I also know that if being able to have an abortion is banned, many teen mothers will try to do it themselves... or have someone else that is not a doctor do it, which is even worse.

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Originally posted by rosiegirl:
abortion is not murder in the slightest. the "child" has not yest come into the world so it isnt really alive yet. abortion is the choice of the soon to be (or not be) mother. she is the only own who can decide if she wants the child or not.

silent scream was the most dated movie i have ever seen. it was a waste of time to watch and did not change my opinion in the least bit.

abortion is not lurder in the slightest. the "child" has not yest come into the world so it isnt really alive yet. abortion is the choice of the soon to be (or not be) mother. she is the only own who can decide if she wants the child or not.

I've got a story to tell. One of my best friends and sweetest friends, got raped during a summer pool party. She didn't find out until about a month later. A week or two later her older friend took her to an abortion center and she had an abortion. Does she feel bad about it? Yes. Does she regret it? No. She was only 13!!! IT was either HER OR THE BABY. So she decided to save herself. It is murder, but in some cases its ok. And if girls choose to make the decision to murder a baby that's growing inside them, then that's their choice. you can't change their choices or their feelings to want to get an abortion. Its their choice and we have to let that be because we're not in their shoes and we're not the ones who are having the baby.

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Originally posted by kchappell00:
abortion is murder because u have a choice on havin sex. unless u get raped or u can die from the pregnancy u shouldn't have an abortion. there is other choices lyk give up for adoption. u have a great feeling when the baby is in ur arms when it is born. a warm feelin. tht baby will love u forever.

Considering the horrors of our adoption/foster care programs, I would think that, if you cared for the child, abortion might be the better option. Besides, what the hell kind of argument is "you should have the baby 'cause it'll make you feel good"? Isn't that just horribly selfish? What about the welfare of the child?

Besides, even if abortion is "murder", it still cannot be outlawed, as our legal system allows "murder" in self-defence. And as pregnancy changes the state of the body of the mother, she has every right to terminate it at her whim. It's part and parcel of the right to "ownership of one's body", which underlies and gives meaning to every other human right, and is therefore inviolable without destroying the concept of "individual rights" in its entirety.

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Abortion is not murder. 5tephan1e2011 you are not very informed about it. Women and girls aren't just "dumn enough to get pregnent" (good spelling by the way) they are also raped and exposed to sexual abuse. I suggest you learn about a topic before you critique it.

Few new people will actually come back to see the replies to their statements over a month later.

I suggest you learn which posts are better left ignored.


Also, I fail to see how the means of conception (be it consensual sex, rape or abuse (abuse also happens to BE rape, maybe just a different degree)) makes the removal of a fetus any more or less "murder". I'm not trying to make an argument, I was just wondering if you had any justification to support your claims, your argument does not seem all that cohesive...

(wow, this is good LSAT prep!)

oh no not another abortion thread