6 weeks old today mommy a birthday gift for me a pair of big brown eyes thru one day i will see where are we going mommy with the rain splashing down when it hits the sidewalk it makes a funny sound bang thru the big white doors people dressed in green if they try to hurt you mommy just run away and scream help me mommy, their tearing me apart there goes my big brown eyes there goes my heart i love you mommy, believe me i do but the worst thing is i thought you loved me too!!
well everyone has an oppinion as much as i do. i happen to think that abortion is very wrong, if you are going to have sex and get pregnaunt then that is your doing not the babies, there are other ways to get rid of a child other than abortion....per say family or adoption, there are tons of people who would love to have kids who are not able to have them.it is still alive and growing even if it is only and inch long or barely a speck in your stomach, there for it is murder. i dont know how you can live with it if you were to have an abortion, how can you not think about how he/she would have turned out, the color of hair, eyes, how cute the baby would have been, i mean i know i would feel exstreamly bad if i were to kill any body even if i cant see what i killed.
You can argue with me all you want... people do it every day, but you are MISSING THE POINT, how hard is it, for you people to watch a clip, and dont judge the clips if you havent seen them, thats ignorance. If you had an abortion already Im sorry for you. Truly. I wish that things could have changed. Plus I DO think of the mother, in fact, I care for her so much, I dont want her to kill her child. Maybe you have had one, but you havent actually seen them kill your baby. Watch the clips. You talk about scare sights, but you have no clue the things Ive seen. Its disgusting and gross. But again we can argue about this topic OVER and OVER, but all I want you to do is watch the clips on www.silentscream.org... Is that so hard? If you dont want to watch the clips, dont waste your time posting. Out of ALL the people that have had something to say to me, NONE of them have bothered watching all the clips. Because NONE of them have commented on it. I will understand if you are scared of the truth. You dont need to hide it.
quote: No fire is not alive...technically it does not "breathe"...it is fueled by gases but it does not "breathe"
Uhhh, what do you think you are doing when you Breathe? You are doing the same thing fires doing, you are taking in oxygen in order to produce chemical reactions.
quote: it does "grow" but there are many defintions for growing...expanding is more the definition for it.
grow ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gr) v. grew, (gr) grown, (grn) grow•ing, grows v. intr. To increase in size by a natural process.
To expand; gain: The business grew under new owners. To increase in amount or degree; intensify: The suspense grew. To develop and reach maturity. To be capable of growth; thrive: a plant that grows in shade. To become attached by or as if by the process of growth: tree trunks that had grown together. To come into existence from a source; spring up: love that grew from friendship. To come to be by a gradual process or by degrees; become: grow angry; grow closer.
v. tr. To cause to grow; raise: grow tulips. To allow (something) to develop or increase by a natural process: grow a beard. Usage Problem. To cause to increase or expand by concerted effort: strategies that grew the family business.
So by definition Fire DOES grow.
quote: and tell me how you justify fire "eating"? it is burning things not eating them...moron
Fire requires fuel to sustain itself, FOOD, so therefore it eats. Besides what the hell do you think happens in your body when you eat food? But I guess I can't expect a simpleton, such as you, to know basic biology.
quote: Fire breathes, it grows, and it eats; so according to your definition fire is alive. But are you really going to admit fire is alive,
No fire is not alive...technically it does not "breathe"...it is fueled by gases but it does not "breathe"....it does "grow" but there are many defintions for growing...expanding is more the definition for it....and tell me how you justify fire "eating"? it is burning things not eating them...moron ~barbie
quote: it breathes from the mother, it eats from the mother, and it grows! do dead things breathe? do dead things eat? do dead things grow? NO they do not....
Fire breathes, it grows, and it eats; so according to your definition fire is alive. But are you really going to admit fire is alive, if not you are not holding to your definition of life and therefore you are ridiculously inconsistent. Evidently you don't understand what one means when they put quotation marks around a word, I.E. when Xia put quotation marks around alive.
quote:Your opinion is that it is "alive" when it is first conceived. I think that it is truly "alive" after it is born.
A fetus is alive! a proven fact that a fetus is alive! it breathes from the mother, it eats from the mother, and it grows! do dead things breathe? do dead things eat? do dead things grow? NO they do not.... ~barbie
Barbie, that is the point we're debating. Your opinion is that it is "alive" when it is first conceived. I think that it is truly "alive" after it is born. They are opinions, not fact, since you cannot prove it is "alive" since there is no real definition for life.
Life: The characteristic state or condition of a living organism.
That is not very helpful.
If you can give me, and the rest of the more-or-less pro-choice people concrete evidence, from reliable sources and not some biased website, that shows the fetus is "alive" as EVERY SINGLE PERSON accepts it, then you will have a chance of convincing us.
This debate has forced me to do more research on embryo/fetus development, and because of my research, I am seeing that the fetus is not truly "alive" through logical deduction by looking at facts. I refuse to rewrite any of my points again, so you will have to go read my posts.
uh...isn't this what we have fighting about all along?? Even if the baby isn't fully developed it is still a HUMAN life...killing a human life is also known as MURDER....
Is it just me or are we going in circles under this topic? ~Barbie
I do not have to watch the video clips....I happen to have had ones. SO maybe you should think about the women who have to make this decsion.........Untill you have to go through it don't make comments.......
Any commments please email me too, I don't check the post very often...
quote: Think of it this way, what if you needed a heart transplant... You were dying. The doctors put you to sleep to change the hearts, but while they have the heart out they think. Oh this isnt a person anymore it doesnt have all its major organs, lets just throw out the body. Plus what I said about all the systems working was correct, unless a pro-choice doctor was lying to everyone???
Huh? You continue to fail at making sense.
quote: Baby 'parts' are used after the abortion to sell to other countries as delicacies. They actually eat the baby's body like a chicken wing. You dont think that the doctors could be in this for the money do you.... Nahhhhhhh
At 8 weeks, the baby is about one inch long. Personally, I think I would have trouble eating a one inch chicken wing. At 11 weeks, a two inch fetus is still pretty tough to eat.
Anyways, that was fun.
quote: Hey Rito, its all over the internet if you look, one example is the doctors selling the fetus for health food.
So you give us a scare site. How about something that isn't biased, now.
quote: A babys heart starts beating after 3 weeks!
Hooray. So if the abortion is performed by week 3, it's okay.
See, the thing with your numbers, is that they don't matter. There's always a space where something isn't happening.
Rito, keep rocking. You pretty much said exactly what I would have said.
quote:As for Euthanasia, dont you think that killing millions of babies because they are not wanted is euthanasia?
That is not euthanasia. "eu·tha·na·sia n. The act or practice of ending the life of an individual suffering from a terminal illness or an incurable condition, as by lethal injection or the suspension of extraordinary medical treatment."
I shall now quote myself from the other abortion thread:
Abortiontv.com is not a reliable source. I looked at it and I would not trust any of the information on it, even if my life depended on it. Get a source of reputation, reliability, and authority (like Science News, American Scientist, JAMA, or NEJM). Do not bring up sources that you would not use in a college paper.
quote:Have you ever read stories of mothers that abort their child and never are the same again?
Yes, but there are those who are fine. Besides, it is their choice in the first place. You should know by now that people can only truly learn by their own mistakes, not through the mistakes of others.
quote:The fact that they kill life without ever giving it a chance to live is baffling.
Problem is, it isn't alive so you can't kill it.
quote:Im finding that those of you who are supporting abortion, and are writing replies havent watched the movie clips, which is what this WHOLE post is about, so take some time, and watch the movies. It'll be worth your time, unless you are afraid of the truth.
Um, no. I do not download anything that the people on these NoiseBoards post. It is not safe for my computer's health.
"As for Euthanasia, dont you think that killing millions of babies because they are not wanted is euthanasia?" Active euthanasia involves causing the death of a PERSON through a direct action, in response to a request from that person. The fetus doesn't request it personally, therefore it is not active euthanasia. (That's why there are seperate terms for abortion and euthanasia). A person is a living non-parasitic human.
"Have you ever read stories of mothers that abort their child and never are the same again?" Have you ever read stories where the women who have an abortion do NOT regret it? Or better yet, ever hear a story first hand? I have, and it can work both ways....but ultimately, you need to be able to make that choice by yourself.
"If your mom had the opportunity to have an abortion you wouldnt be here right now." My mom has been pregnant three times, so she has had three oppurtunities to have an abortion. And I'm still here.
"Lets say you love life... Wouldn't you think you'd have something to say against that?" If my mother had had an abortion while she was pregnant with me, I wouldn't KNOW how I'd feel, and I wouldn't physically be able to have a say.
"The fact that they kill life without ever giving it a chance to live is baffling." Woah. Oxymoron...
"Im finding that those of you who are supporting abortion, and are writing replies havent watched the movie clips," I have the strangest feeling that clip is gonna be exaggerated in your favor. Anyways, I don't download strange files to my computer, it probably couldn't handle it the piece of crap. But for CCD we had to watch an abortion and it WAS exaggerated.
That and the whole damn thing about eating babies is not true. It's a huge thing blown out of proportion and totally fabricated after one performance piece by Zhu Yu, a crazy artist man who did it and was photographed. He was the only one.
Im finding that those of you who are supporting abortion, and are writing replies havent watched the movie clips, which is what this WHOLE post is about, so take some time, and watch the movies. It'll be worth your time, unless you are afraid of the truth.
As for Euthanasia, dont you think that killing millions of babies because they are not wanted is euthanasia? The question lies in when you think human life begins, as for me, I believe as soon as you are 1 second old in your mothers womb you are a human. Yes that is my opinion but it is also the view of MILLIONS of others who think the same way. Have you ever read stories of mothers that abort their child and never are the same again? It happens ALL the time! I failed a class once because I was given the topic of Abortion and after I read and saw all that happens I couldnt do the report, I had tears in my eyes. These things are real, everyone makes it out to be a choice and not a human life...
Think of it this way also. If your mom had the opportunity to have an abortion you wouldnt be here right now. Lets say you love life... Wouldn't you think you'd have something to say against that? But I'm sorry you are really a person yet are you, so we aren't ever going to give you a chance to find out... The fact that they kill life without ever giving it a chance to live is baffling. We have more laws to protect unborn animals than we do humans... where is this country going?
uh, Jiggz, where do you get your information? "Baby 'parts' are used after the abortion to sell to other countries as delicacies. They actually eat the baby's body like a chicken wing. You dont think that the doctors could be in this for the money do you.... " Just wondering...
As for the heart being taken out, if the doctors took out that heart, from the fully functional human, and don't replace it, that's murder (or more specifically active euthanasia), and a different topic than that of this board.
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