It is wrong to have an Abortion before 11 weeks. Think of it this way, what if you needed a heart transplant... You were dying. The doctors put you to sleep to change the hearts, but while they have the heart out they think. Oh this isnt a person anymore it doesnt have all its major organs, lets just throw out the body. Plus what I said about all the systems working was correct, unless a pro-choice doctor was lying to everyone???
Another little side note. Baby 'parts' are used after the abortion to sell to other countries as delicacies. They actually eat the baby's body like a chicken wing. You dont think that the doctors could be in this for the money do you.... Nahhhhhhh
They are being paid to have children in the underpopulated areas (wherever that place is you mentioned) and restrictions are put on the overpopulated areas (i.e. China). It does not matter how many people we have; the problem is that our resources are being used up faster than they can be replaced. That is what is meant by overpopulation in this context.
"o·ver·pop·u·la·tion n. Excessive population of an area to the point of overcrowding, depletion of natural resources, or environmental deterioration."
There is overcrowding in many countries, there is a huge depletion of natural resources everywhere, and just look at forests of America as proof of environmental deterioration.
Overpopulation is not the issue here. Whether or not abortion is morally right is. Now debate that.
quote:my mom went on a trip to europe...to what country i dont remember...but she sat next to a german nurse on the airplane ride. my mom happened to be pregnant with my little brother at the time, and the nurse next to her noticed this and asked "how much is your government paying you to have this baby?"
in many countries in europe governments are paying people to have children. the nurse even told my mom that after the baby was born, they government assigned a nurse to help out with the new baby for two weeks after the birth. and you people say we're overpopulated while people are being paid to have children? i think not.
quote:sorry, i worded that wrong. people are having less kids now than they used to. better?
Yes, that is better. It totally changes the context of it.
But the problem is that even though fewer people are not having as many children, there are more people in the world now, so there are more people willing to have children.
I think the real problem between pro-life and pro-choice people is that there is a different definition of life. Pro-life people think that there is life the moment the child is conceived. Pro-choice people vary on when the fetus is actually "alive" (for some it is after the first trimester and others it is only when the child is born).
Until we can all agree on when the baby is "alive," we cannot have a real discussion.
quote:Key word there being "families." What makes you think that you need to have a family to have children
sorry, i worded that wrong. people are having less kids now than they used to. better?
When a women exercises her right to control her own body in total disregard of the body of another human being, it's called an abortion. When a man acts of the same philosophy, it's called rape.
That might have worked in Field of Dreams, but it doesn't work all that well in real life. You can urbanize Siberia all you want, but no one wants to go there because it's an arctic wasteland.
quote: yeah alot of old people will die but because our advance in meds alot could happen in ten years heck I wouldn't be suprised if doctors made a fountain of youth!
Sinner I think the same thing. I tell my firends all the time[ QUOTE] some day they'll make a pill for that [/QUOTE]
Which is totally true. They have medicines for everything. There is no medicine called magic though. One way or another were all leaving. So the world won't be over populated because billions of seniors will die and children. So your statement isn't factual.
quote:how so? families are having less children now than they used to.
Key word there being "families." What makes you think that you need to have a family to have children? There are tons of children in adoption centers and others that are abused and stuff because of neglect because the parents do not want them.
quote:I support abortion only through the first trimester, when teh baby is only a clump of cells, but once it's pass that, I believe that you're killing a human being.
Very good idea to have. "When one-celled organisms divide, some new cells may remain together in a cluster. However, a cluster of cells is not necessarily a multicellular organism." p173
quote:I bet you didnt know that ALL of the baby's body systems are present in 8 WEEKS, and are working by 11 WEEKS!
Uh-huh.
"A human takes about 40 weeks to develop in the uterus (Figure 10.15). After the beginning of the eigth week, the embryo is called a fetus. After 3 months, or the first trimester, most of the organs have begun to form, and the skeleton can be seen in ultrasound images. Most of the last 3 months, or third trimester, is a period of rapid growth and maturation of organ systems." p273
Basically this says: A baby takes 9 months to develop completely. After 8 weeks into development, the child is called a fetus instead of an embryo. After the first trimester, the baby's organs BEGIN to develop (in other words, they are NOT completely developed). During the last trimester the baby starts finishing up development and starts becoming what looks like a baby.
Therefore, the baby does NOT have all its organs in 8 weeks and they are NOT fully functional by 11, mostly because they are not fully developed.
Greenberg, Jon (Rev. Editor). BSCS Biology: A Molecular Approach, Blue Version, 8th Edition.
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"I bet you didnt know that ALL of the baby's body systems are present in 8 WEEKS, and are working by 11 WEEKS!" Before 8 weeks it's a brainless embryo. At 8 weeks, it creates its first brain cells. I would think the brain needs to be present in order for a nervous system to be complete and present...
"Yeah, it does have cheese. But it's also the state with the most white supremicist groups in the country." Allrighty, I'll stay here. Thanks
quote: I bet you didnt know that ALL of the baby's body systems are present in 8 WEEKS, and are working by 11 WEEKS! Thats less than 3 months my friend...
So it's okay if the abortion is performed before week 11, right? Problem solved.
I bet you didnt know that ALL of the baby's body systems are present in 8 WEEKS, and are working by 11 WEEKS! Thats less than 3 months my friend... The baby can swallow at 11 weeks also! It also has fingernails!
Heres another little fact, a Salt-poisoned abortion BURNS the babys skin off... nice to know we care huh?
I wrote that a long time ago, and Im surprised to think that it got so many responses. I apologize to those you cant see the video, but remember this post ISNT about whether we are overpopulated, or whether a pink rhino is okay in the desert. We are getting a little off topic. What I was asking all "pro-choice" people, is that if you truly believe that abortion is ok, WATCH THE VIDEO... then post a reply, and explain to me why you think its right. I would be interested to see it, because the truth is, most "pro-choice" people aren't educated. I bet half of you didnt know that the WHOLE Roe V. Wade was based on a LIE. The woman LIED, and admitted it! I can respect an opinion as long as it is supported with some thinking skills, not just being another drone that thinks its another womans body, and she can do what she pleases... Anyway, keep writing!
abortion at any time during the pregnancy is wrong. the child is living at the moment of conception, how can anyone doubt that? i mean just look at the pictures...how are they NOT humans?
Accidents can happen, even if you're practicing safe sex, the condom could be faulty and the sperm could still go in and make the lady pregnant, although i've never heard of this happening before, but it is a possibility.
I support abortion only through the first trimester, when teh baby is only a clump of cells, but once it's pass that, I believe that you're killing a human being. But isn't abortion after teh first trimester illegal? Well, if the abortion you're talking about is in the first trimester of a pregnancy, then I support it all the way.
how so? families are having less children now than they used to. families used to have 6-8 or even more kids to help with the farms and such things...most families now have 2-4 kids...so how are they being "mass produced"?
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