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That's the thing.....they ARE FULLY ALIVE!! How can you say their not?

The bit about them existing inside another being and only by means of a direct connection with that other being is why I don't think they're fully alive. They're completely dependent on the mother. In less glamorous terms, they're parasites. Of course, one could argue that even infants are parasites of a sort since they are still overly dependent on the mother, but I don't think that and therefore I won't go there.

no I don't. I don't feel like arguing this. Its boring and I am sick of arguing about it with people who can't even spell.

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for all of you who say abortion isnt murder you should think twice becasue getting an abortion is killing someone that lives inside you!!!

Thank you for that. Until now I have been completely clueless as to what abortion is.

Sop you admmit abortion is murder?

[QUOTE Tell me how having a child you can't support or possibly dying form birth complications agrees with these inate rights we are all supposed to be entitled too?[/QUOTE]

Ok...there are other options than an abortion when you can't finacially** support the child....it's called adoption. And yes....I agree with it if the mother is in danger but if it dies when it's born, it's not murder, when it's killed and it's not born, that is

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As far as I'm concerned, the right to choose is far more important than the rights of something not fully alive.

That's the thing.....they ARE FULLY ALIVE!! How can you say their not?

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That's bull****. you don't need to be born to have rights. How would you feel if you're mother had had an abortion. I know what it feels like...my mom had an abortion before me and was considering having one when I was conceived...so it really makes me upset to even think aout abortion

How is that dwelling on the past? And I would be alive in Heaven to care about it
Clearly she didn't, and if she had you wouldn't be alive to care. Why do people feel a need to dwell on the past?

I'll admit my argument is not fool-proof, but it lets me sleep at night, which is all I need.

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As for simply having abortion, not to have a baby, I don't agree with it

Why not.

The reason I don't agree with it, is because it just seems unneccesary. In this world, we have enough resources (Theoretically, as I think I stated in either this post, or somewhere else, it's not always the case, but theoretically), we have enough resources to take care fo the child. So, logically, if we have the resources, it can be taken off the hands of the mother, and be allowed to live. With that said, I'm not going to infringe on someone's rights to take it away.

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Are the pro-abortion people in support of laws that prosecute murderers for two deaths when they kill a pergnant woman?

It would all depend on intent I guess. If they knew they were intentionally going to kill to two people, and did it with that purpose, I'd say yes, but the problem is, under law, it'd be incredibly hard to determine. So, I would have to say No for practically. Ideally, if it was there intent, I'd like to see it happen.

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That's bull****. you don't need to be born to have rights.

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Would you agree that you must be born in order to be a citizen? Only citizens possess rights. Therefore, one must be born in order to possess rights.

What about potential citizens then? Could this same line of logic, as stated, not only be used against babies, but also against immigrants? Would it not be permissable to kill them as well?

Now, to cut myself short, I can answer that myself. All humans in most countries, if I remember right, even if they are immigrants, are given basic rights (I.E. To Life, Liberty, etc.) So, that could be used to counterargue. But still, the logic is there.

Ideally, I'd like for abortions not to happen. It's not something I perticularily enjoy. With that said, I'm not going to stop somone from having it, because there really, isn't any better alternative at the moment, that would keep the baby out of this world, or place it off the bat, in a different area.

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for all of you who say abortion isnt murder you should think twice becasue getting an abortion is killing someone that lives inside you!!!

Thank you for that. Until now I have been completely clueless as to what abortion is.

for all of you who say abortion isnt murder you should think twice becasue getting an abortion is killing someone that lives inside you!!!

You are an idiot BS.

You talk about not denying unalienable rights yet you are not Pro-Life. Tell me how having a child you can't support or possibly dying form birth complications agrees with these inate rights we are all supposed to be entitled too?

Edit: Clpo and I posted at the exact same time. Cool.

What are you even talking about? Are you insinuating that those allegedly unalienable rights are granted to people who have not even been born? Then should we protect sperm? Eggs? Anything between those and an embryo?

And what if I do deny that they exist? Are you going to prove to me that they do exist and somehow apply to unborn children? Do they apply to animals, as well?

Prove to me that fetuses deserve rights and that their rights trump those of the mother. As far as I'm concerned, the right to choose is far more important than the rights of something not fully alive.

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Only citizens possess rights.

That is if you are denying unalienable rights, which are laws of nature and can never and should never be denied, exist.

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How would you feel if you're mother had had an abortion.

I wouldn't, because I wouldn't exist. I really don't have a problem with that because it is a purely hypothetical situation that didn't and never will occur.

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That's bull****. you don't need to be born to have rights.

Would you agree that you must be born in order to be a citizen? Only citizens possess rights. Therefore, one must be born in order to possess rights.

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Are the pro-abortion people in support of laws that prosecute murderers for two deaths when they kill a pergnant woman?

No. And I'm pro-choice. Get it right.

I am capable of answering a question. My answer is yes.

Are you capable of answering a question? Apparently not. This is the second board where you have argued and debated something but refuse to answer the question I pose. It is really intelectually dishonest.

Are those against abortion willing to risk both the life of the mother and the baby?

Are the pro-abortion people in support of laws that prosecute murderers for two deaths when they kill a pergnant woman?

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That's bull****. you don't need to be born to have rights. How would you feel if you're mother had had an abortion. I know what it feels like...my mom had an abortion before me and was considering having one when I was conceived...so it really makes me upset to even think aout abortion

Clearly she didn't, and if she had you wouldn't be alive to care. Why do people feel a need to dwell on the past?

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As for simply having abortion, not to have a baby, I don't agree with it

Why not.

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so why do people believe that it isn't murder to kill an unborn child?

Because you need to be born to have rights. It's that simple.

That's bull****. you don't need to be born to have rights. How would you feel if you're mother had had an abortion. I know what it feels like...my mom had an abortion before me and was considering having one when I was conceived...so it really makes me upset to even think aout abortion