Amen

Hey, I've got a better idea! How about instead of arguing over what abortion is, why don't we teach kids about birth control, so when they do it, they don't get pregnant and have to get abortions? Isn't that a great idea?

Sorry, I got a little sarcastic. It just annoys me when people call abortions murder and then turn out to be the same people who refuse to teach kids about sex because it will make them more promiscuous. Face it: teens will have sex no matter what. It's better to keep them protected and using birth control, than have to worry about abortions later on.

And for the record, I'm pro-choice. But I think there are better options. Abortion should only be a last-ditch alternative.

Thank you for seeing my point. I now know the last hour of my time was not in vain.

Sometimes more often the man is seen as at fault but i see what you mena.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
I'm blaming both.
You're wrong not everyone blames the father. A lot of the time the blame is either shared or is put on the "slut" of a mother.

Thank you Rainbow! That's what I've been trying totell him.

I'm blaming both.
You're wrong not everyone blames the father. A lot of the time the blame is either shared or is put on the "slut" of a mother.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
Why do I even try and reason with you?

good question but the thing is everyone blames men so i'm trying to show the other side and not be a median right now because men can be victims to.

It can mean the same for women too.

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women have a few hours of physical pain but for the man it can mean a lifetime of stress a pain and regret

Are you an idiot? Do you honestely think that it won't be stressful for the mother as well? Don't you think that she may also regret it?

Why do I even try and reason with you?

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
Its both the mothers and the Fathers fault. I'm not trying to make it sound like the mother has got it worse. Its hard for both. Knight you just pissed me off by saying that the fathers got it worse. You made it sound like its easy for the mother.

women have a few hours of physical pain but for the man it can mean a lifetime of stress a pain and regret.

Sometimes the woman does treat the man like that...but the man has been know to act teh same way. Women are only so hard on men because of the widespread belief men are gonna run when it gets too hard. I've had experience with it myself (it got to har dnad he left)(I wasn't pregnant though)...not saying all men are like that eitehr.

Its both the mothers and the Fathers fault. I'm not trying to make it sound like the mother has got it worse. Its hard for both. Knight you just pissed me off by saying that the fathers got it worse. You made it sound like its easy for the mother.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
Knight how many times to you think the father actually marries the mother? Far to often the father will just leave the mother to take care of the child when it was the mistake of both of them.

Far to often the women tells the man "YOU will take care of this baby because its YOUR fault." well i say "Good Luck." Kate i was talking about when the baby is born the women treats the man like its his fault and sometimes treats him like s--t and it can be the womens fault to.

Rainbow's gotta point

Ok...what about the times when the man does get custody and it kills the mother inside? Who suffers more then? She has to go on the rest of her life wondering what she did wrong and what she could have done better to have her child back. The only reason the man is expected to work is because the woman is pregnant for God's sake! There's not much she can do while she's pregnant, especially when she gets on up there in the pregnancy, because of the extra weight, she'll have more back pain than usual. Then, after the baby's born, she has to take care of it for the first few months, especially if she's breast feeding.

Knight how many times to you think the father actually marries the mother? Far to often the father will just leave the mother to take care of the child when it was the mistake of both of them.

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Originally posted by kountrykate3:
Not nessecarily*...the woman is the one who carries the baby around for nine months, who gains extra weight and stretch marks. The woman is now looked upon as a whore because she got pregnant. It's not just the man's fault, the woman has something to do with it too. The girl also has to get married to the man, sometimes even if she didn't even really care about the guy at all. The whole custody ting...totally not true...there are plenty of men who ahve custody of they're children.

That nice but every single time the man suffers more and men rarely get custody.

Not nessecarily*...the woman is the one who carries the baby around for nine months, who gains extra weight and stretch marks. The woman is now looked upon as a whore because she got pregnant. It's not just the man's fault, the woman has something to do with it too. The girl also has to get married to the man, sometimes even if she didn't even really care about the guy at all. The whole custody ting...totally not true...there are plenty of men who ahve custody of they're children.

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:

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long run the man would suffer more.

Please explain the thinking behind this statement.

How long ya got? Whos "fault" is the pregnancy? the man. who is expected to work? the man. who dosent get to decide what to do with the baby? the man. who is expected to get married to the girl he got pregnant? the man. who eventually loses half his stuff? the man. who gets custody? not the man. who is blamed for all this? the man. there are your reasons and another there are women who get pregnant just to use men to get money.

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long run the man would suffer more.

Please explain the thinking behind this statement.