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No. No, it's not true.

Are you saying a zygote is dead?

okay that makes more sense than life begins the moment you leave the birth canal

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but it's true.

No. No, it's not true. It is opinion. I believe that life starts the moment that the baby leaves the mother's womb and takes it's first breath (thanks yog, btw). You can find plenty of doctors and scientists on your side, and I can find plenty on mine. That's why it's not fact or truth, that's why it's opinion...

Why is it so hard to accept the fact that life begins the moment the sperm fertilizes the egg? I'm still pro-choice but it's true.

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HEY! I'm A friggin C-Section! Don't friggin tell me I'm not alive!

So am I!

So now I'm the living Dead! I'm pretty freakin alive over here at least I think I am how can anyone really be sure if they are dead or not?

Amp, we have a strict "No Zombie" rule here at YN. I'm sorry, but you'll have to leave.

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Well, then people that are born through c-sections never actually get a life then, huh?

I think he (or she, I just read the quote) meant when the child is actually out of the womb.

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Well, then people that are born through c-sections never actually get a life then, huh?

HEY! I'm A friggin C-Section! Don't friggin tell me I'm not alive!

Luvabug!

Only Bogey is missing now...

Damn, I missed you on this thread. I feel reminiscent now.

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I usually go with Life begins when you breathe air and don't need suppoort from your mother.

Oh! There we go! That's what I've been trying to convey...When it doesn't need the mother/when it breathes... I know you were just stating your opinion, but thanks...

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Isn't that when most c-sections occur, or am I totally off base??

Unless it is an emergency, you are right.

I usually go with Life begins when you breathe air and don't need suppoort from your mother.

Even if the story was true (I'm not going to argue about that), that's just one abortionist. Not all are like that.

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Well, then people that are born through c-sections never actually get a life then, huh?

Good point. I'm going to refer back to my first statement, that life doesn't begin until labor. Isn't that when most c-sections occur, or am I totally off base??

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Anyways, what about premature babies?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't premature babies go through the birth canal??

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The article doesn't mention anything having to do with Rajanna eating fetuses

See, now that was a reliable news site. WorldNetDaily is not. So since the reliable news site said nothing about Rajanna eating fetuses, I'm going to assume that WorldNetDaily is making slanderous speculation. And because of this incident I have even more loathing for WorldNetDaily...

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the things they do mention are disgusting enough.

What?!?! I found that it might be disturbing and a little bit dirty, but disgusting? You are making it seem that he indeed ate aborted fetuses. They found a dead mouse in the hall and he kept syringes in an unlocked fridge. But considering that this was an abortion clinic, that probably didn't have a huge mainsteam client list, that doesn't matter as much as a mainstream doctor's clinic... And, it says he hasn't had a complaint in his ten years of practicing... Not that I'm for the guy or anything, I'm just saying that WND is NOT a good source to use for people to take you seriously...

Kansas City News station's site.

The article doesn't mention anything having to do with Rajanna eating fetuses, although the things they do mention are disgusting enough.

NickJ-WorldNetDaily never states their source, but they have pictures of the abortionist's refridgerater. Whether or not you believe the pictures are valid is up to you, I guess.

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Although, my opinion stays the same, I don't believe life starts until the baby passes through the birth canal...

Well, then people that are born through c-sections never actually get a life then, huh?
Anyways, what about premature babies? Do you think that their lives don't actually begin until their due date comes along? And at that, if a fetus is born prematurely at 6 months, do you think the premie's life has begun, but all other fetuses that are 6 months old (but going full term) aren't alive?


Any news site is going to have some sort of bias, I'll look for other sites to make you happy. I highly doubt WorldNetDaily would make up such a story.

luvabug... WorldNetDaily is not a very reliable source. It is quite biased. Now if an article about that came from, say, the Kansas City Star or some actual newspaper in the area, then that would be a little easier to believe... I would suggest doing some research and finding evidence of it from some non-biased site/newspaper and then come back, otherwise, most are going to ignore that report.

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If giving birth is when life begins, then why don't they call it "giving life"?

You know, I can't really tell you how phrases come about. I could probably take an Etymology class and that MIGHT tell me a bit, but etymology is mostly the origin of words. They might have just called it 'giving-birth' instead of 'giving life' because of the controversy of defining where life begins. Just as there is a debate on another thread of whether to use homophobia or heterosexism... Just can't tell ya why society excepts certain phrases.

Although, my opinion stays the same, I don't believe life starts until the baby passes through the birth canal...

Dunno if this has been brought up anywhere, just thought I'd post it and see what people think.