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Dear good GOD, not another one of these.

Sorry, it's just, I've been argueing in SO MANY these days, it's like they all just string into one.

My arguement remains, as always, this:

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD GET AN ABORTION. FORGET WHAT YOU THINK OF ABORTIONS, PERSONALLY.

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Are we done clearing our minds? Good. Now, listen:

Abortion should be a choice because it does nothing to harm you. YOUR RIGHTS GO ONLY AS FAR AS THE NEXT PERSON.

But, making abortion illegal would cause PLENTY of harm to the children if born into an unsuitable home, the mother, the father, the family, the health and safety of women who DO get pregnant and try to have unsafe procedures to get rid of the fetus.

And thus, abortion should be legal because there are too many millions of women with too many millions of cases/reasons for being pregnant and wanting an abortion to set a law that would force something on every women unjustly and unconstitutionally.

Allowing aborions for some does not harm you or any other anti-abortionist. But not allowing them will only cause problems and complications for those who would rather have their rights left alone and not tinkered with by someone else's beliefs and opinions.

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The pill, which is the best form has 99.9% effective, BUT it has a 5% failure rate.

Sweetie, I think your math is a little off.

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So if your brother gets depressed occasionally, would you have prefered to have killed him?

Not occasionally, A LOT. And his birth mother was mentally and physically unstable. She honestly could not have an abortion. If she did, all sorts of bad things would happen.

But like I said. SHE WAS MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY UNSTABLE.

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I'd like to see a copy of those stats. If they are true, 7,931 kids that have not been adopted across the country is pretty good.

I forgot this part. That was only TEXAS. ONE STATE. Just think of the other 49 combined.

Here's the website:
http://www.childrensdefense.org/childwelfare/financing/factsheets/tx.pdf

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Originally posted by QueenOfHell:
You know, they could just as easily LOOK for an American place seeing that it isn't that difficult.
I know because my brother was adopted. He also suffers from depression and was hospitalized two months ago for two weeks.

So if your brother gets depressed occasionally, would you have prefered to have killed him?

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As of January 2005, 7,931 kids were waiting to be adopted. And only 9.11% of babies up to 11 months are adopted.

So adoption isn't as perfect as you try to make it seem.

I'd like to see a copy of those stats. If they are true, 7,931 kids that have not been adopted across the country is pretty good.

The only way I would NOT have an abortion if I got pregnant (out of sex, not rape) would be if he agreed to babysit the kid as well and pay alimony (is that what they're called? Or is it pention?). I see way too many teenage girls getting pregnant and have to care for the child as if they got pregnant alone.

----Weren't you the one who said you planned to keep your family 100% Aryan? So you would be humiliated as well if your child turned out black.----

actually that was probably me



and i think that girls who choose to have sex should not be able to have abortions they should have to live with the ocnsequences. And i think the man is at fault too. I think some sort of penalty should be imposed on him such as child support of some kind.

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The pill, which is the best form has 99.9% effective, BUT it has a 5% failure rate.

Um.....

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Condoms can also burst or slip off.

They can't slip off unless you use a sleeping-bag sized condom for a person with a straw penis and they can't break unless used incorrectly.

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Adoption. Plenty of American families are traveling over seas (my aunt and uncle being one of them) to try to find a baby. I'm sure many of them would prefer to not pay the travel costs and get a baby from America.

BS. Some families just want a foreigner child for other reasons.

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If you're born in the West, you're already half way ahead of babies born elsewhere.

Here we go again....that can only come from someone who hasn't traveled anywhere good.

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She made a decision to have sex, now she must live with the consequences. If she has a child, then she'll have to put her future on hold and to what she is obliged to do.

No, no. That's bull. No one ever looks at the daddy who wasted a few minutes of his life and his semen. It's always her fault.

Adoption is insane. It's worse than abortion. You're abandoning your child. At least while it was a fetus it can't think or feel anything and your breats won't leak when it's hungry.

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We're now ready to exterminate our next generation to prevent "humiliation"?

Weren't you the one who said you planned to keep your family 100% Aryan? So you would be humiliated as well if your child turned out black.

ummm... wow... do you actually think the only way a woman gets pregnant is from having unprotected sex? Uh, hello, birth control isn't 100% effective! The pill, which is the best form has 99.9% effective, BUT it has a 5% failure rate. Condoms can also burst or slip off. And as for murdering a helpless baby... IT ISNT A BABY YET!! IT IS A FETUS! And it isn't even up to you or any other pro-lifer to choose for others. If someone wants to do something to their body YOU CANNOT STOP THEM! If you are so concerned about "saving babies" then adopt a starving one from China!

Here's completely have baked-opinion... Abortion a form of birth control... um no... more like a way of not having your life ruined! And why is it up to the woman to get a form of birth control??? ITS THE MANS DOING TOO! How many kids do you think will live a decent life if their parents can't even take care of them?

You can only choose if you want an abortion or not so don't try to be the boss of everyone else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Adoption. Plenty of American families are traveling over seas (my aunt and uncle being one of them) to try to find a baby. I'm sure many of them would prefer to not pay the travel costs and get a baby from America

You know, they could just as easily LOOK for an American place seeing that it isn't that difficult.
I know because my brother was adopted. He also suffers from depression and was hospitalized two months ago for two weeks.

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Adoption is the perfect solution to abortion

As of January 2005, 7,931 kids were waiting to be adopted. And only 9.11% of babies up to 11 months are adopted.

So adoption isn't as perfect as you try to make it seem.

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Originally posted by Shananagin1618:
What if the mother really didn't want the baby, and couldn't support the baby.

Adoption. Plenty of American families are traveling over seas (my aunt and uncle being one of them) to try to find a baby. I'm sure many of them would prefer to not pay the travel costs and get a baby from America.

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Do you think the baby would rather be born into a terrible childhood, where it and the mother are miserable, or just not be born.

All actions have consequences. This country is not so miserable that we should to start exterminating them to "save them from their futures." If you're born in the West, you're already half way ahead of babies born elsewhere.

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Also, if the mother is in school still, or maybe applying for a college, it could really ruin her life.

She made a decision to have sex, now she must live with the consequences. If she has a child, then she'll have to put her future on hold and to what she is obliged to do.

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Adoption is an option, but still.

But still...what? Adoption is the perfect solution to abortion. The baby lives, the mother does not have to care for it, and a couple to gets to have the baby they have always wanted.

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Abortion would mean that the mother would not have to go through the humiliation (if she's in school) of pregnancy or the pain of birth.

Is this honestly how far our society has fallen? We're now ready to exterminate our next generation to prevent "humiliation"?

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Also, if you consider the killing of an unborn fetus in the first trimester murder, why stop there? All eggs and sperm that die are half-babies, you know. Killing them is murder! If abortion is murder, so is birth control and even not having sex constantly.

You wrote down the answer to your question. A fetus is a completed baby whereas a sperm and egg and nothing more than cells. Without each other they are nothing. They're just like every other cell in the body.

What if the mother really didn't want the baby, and couldn't support the baby. Do you think the baby would rather be born into a terrible childhood, where it and the mother are miserable, or just not be born. Also, if the mother is in school still, or maybe applying for a college, it could really ruin her life. Adoption is an option, but still. Abortion would mean that the mother would not have to go through the humiliation (if she's in school) of pregnancy or the pain of birth.
Also, if you consider the killing of an unborn fetus in the first trimester murder, why stop there? All eggs and sperm that die are half-babies, you know. Killing them is murder! If abortion is murder, so is birth control and even not having sex constantly.

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innocent child

Why is everyone saying that fetuses are innocent? You don't know what they've done or not done. For all you know, they could be guilty of a lot more than people suspect...

Just a random thought.

Kill kill kill. Fetuses are like insects, have no mind, so they can't actually think "I'm being killed!".

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Did you know that if you shot and killed a pregnant women, it would be considered a double homicide. But if you go and get an abortion, which is killing a a helpless baby, then it perfectly legal.

I'm against abortion in most cases, except for things like rape and severally defected babies that would have no chance of a decent life.

Personally, I think that if women go out and have unsafe sex, then I think they need to accept the results of their actions. If you don't want to get pregnant, then use a condom or the pill. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy, I can't see why people insit on using abortion as an option.

Live life as if there was no tomorrow and make tomorrow better than the day before.

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Did you know that if you shot and killed a pregnant women, it would be considered a double homicide. But if you go and get an abortion, which is killing a a helpless baby, then it perfectly legal.

I'm against abortion in most cases, except for things like rape and severally defected babies that would have no chance of a decent life.

Personally, I think that if women go out and have unsafe sex, then I think they need to accept the results of their actions. If you don't want to get pregnant, then use a condom or the pill. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy, I can't see why people insit on using abortion as an option.

Live life as if there was no tomorrow and make tomorrow better than the day before.

abortion is murder. plus the baby didnt ask to be made and it didnt ask to be killed. people shouldnt have abortions because becuase it can cause problems with the female having the kid and sometimes it breaks up relationships between couples. also u still have the option of giving the baby up for adoption. its better for the baby to be with someone who will take care of the baby than for you to kill the baby.

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And I use mine to say that YOU can't tell someone not to do something because YOU don't control them.

Do you honestly think a woman whose getting an abortion CARES about your opinion? Leave them alone. It's none of YOUR business so just leave the women be.

Do you honestly believe that people protesting abortion really care about YOUR opinion? No but that's no reason to give up. I don't want to control people, that's not my goal. My goal is to save lives. Just as a doctors goal is.

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Uh, the MOTHER is breathing. You just proved me right. The MOTHER gives the fetus oxygen.

And yes the fetus can be saved but seeing that most abortions are in the first trimester, it won't be saved.

The mother breaths and gives the oxygen to the baby, the baby is taking in the oxygen which means that it is still breathing. It would be like being locked in a box with only a straw to suck air through. You're still breathing, just using something to help you get the oxygen. And no, not all abortions are done in the first trimester. And still, it is a human being that deserves every right to live. We all start out the same way. It's apart of life development. If an abortion wasn't done, what would happen? What would come of it? Please answer me this.

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Originally posted by soccergirl04:
Did you know that if you shot and killed a pregnant women, it would be considered a double homicide. But if you go and get an abortion, which is killing a a helpless baby, then it perfectly legal.

I'm against abortion in most cases, except for things like rape and severally defected babies that would have no chance of a decent life.

Personally, I think that if women go out and have unsafe sex, then I think they need to accept the results of their actions. If you don't want to get pregnant, then use a condom or the pill. There are so many ways to prevent pregnancy, I can't see why people insit on using abortion as an option.

i believe that killing a bad guy for own safety nis not ok but acceptable but killing an innocent child please !!

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Yes I am. I'm an american citizen with a voice, I guess that makes me special because I use it.

And I use mine to say that YOU can't tell someone not to do something because YOU don't control them.

Do you honestly think a woman whose getting an abortion CARES about your opinion? Leave them alone. It's none of YOUR business so just leave the women be.

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Uh, it's breathing. It just uses the mother as a source for giving the oxygen

Uh, the MOTHER is breathing. You just proved me right. The MOTHER gives the fetus oxygen.

And yes the fetus can be saved but seeing that most abortions are in the first trimester, it won't be saved.

Well it'd be interesting to see someone who'd never been born running around posting on the Internet, wouldn't it?

I love how abortion is only advocated by those who themselves have been born.

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But are you getting an abortion? I don't think so. Though the fetus has different genes and all that crap, it's still attached to her. It's like having a mole removed. The mole may have a spine and teeth but we can get it off.

That was the stupidest analogy ever. But I'll go with it. When a mole grows arms, legs, eyes, ears, fingers,toes, etc. then I'll consider believing that getting a mole cut off is wrong. Until that day, I will keep on not caring about that.

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It's a fetus. It isn't breathing. The MOTHER breathes and the oxygen then gets to the fetusthrough HER. So if the mother were to die, so would the fetus. If the fetus was breathing on it's own, it would keep breathing inside the mother.

Uh, it's breathing. It just uses the mother as a source for giving the oxygen. And if the mother dies, the fetus can be saved, depending on how far along the pregnancy is.

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