quote: I consider something a human when it thinks
So we should be able to take the lives of people who are autistic or have other mental disorders if we so choose, because there are some humans who are incapable of thought.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
quote:I love it - the typical pro-abortion propaganda - just "a blob of cells." You're trying to dehumanize something to your advantage, which is really pathetic. Aren't you and I a blob of cells? Also, dream? If you don't have dreams you aren't human? It doesn't think? At what point in the pregnancy are you talking about? Does thinking make someone human? Does reasoning make someone human? In that case, we have many nonhumans responding on this topic.
I predict the future.
No, I consider something a human when it thinks, that's what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom (without including instinctive behaviours) , that's why I consider fetuses to be only a blob of cells, they don't think. At least, from what I've heard, babies don't do math on the womb.
quote:There is no excuse for becoming pregnant by choice at a point where you would need assistance. This is not prostitution by any means.
That's what birth control is for. If you want abortion banned, fine, but don't take away the birth control from the girls.
quote: Any type of community service or whatever the government thinks would be useful.
So what prisoners do?
That's the most female degrading crap I've heard in a while.
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
quote: Of course it doesn't kill human life. It's a blob of cells that doesn't think/reason/dream.
I love it - the typical pro-abortion propaganda - just "a blob of cells." You're trying to dehumanize something to your advantage, which is really pathetic. Aren't you and I a blob of cells? Also, dream? If you don't have dreams you aren't human? It doesn't think? At what point in the pregnancy are you talking about? Does thinking make someone human? Does reasoning make someone human? In that case, we have many nonhumans responding on this topic.
quote: Fines? Service? What are we know, China? We have to pay to ****? Isn't that prostitution?
There is no excuse for becoming pregnant by choice at a point where you would need assistance. This is not prostitution by any means.
quote: Service? What do you mean SERVICE?
Any type of community service or whatever the government thinks would be useful.
" While it is "debatable" whether abortion is murder or not, it is clearly unjustified killing (with malice or not), which is just as wrong for the law to support."
that is your opinion bogey, so it's not "clearly" unjustified...I do not think it is unjustified always(using it as birth control I do believe to be unjustified)...
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. - E.B.White
quote: This whole "punishment for the people who have sex" is potentially the most insane idea on this thread.
However insane you may think it to be, the most insane idea on this thread is still abortion itself.
quote:How 60s. Let's send girls to laundry washings where nuns put them through physical and mental abuse as punishment for having sex. And that DID happen.
By "punishment" I basically meant fines and large amounts of service, but now I'm considering more.
quote: We all know a life of adoption centers and varous foster homes is guaranteed sanity.
We all know that abortion doesn't kill a human life. Now stop with that gibberish, people.
You know you've overtalked abortion when you see the same arguments used over and over everytime some newbie comes onto the boards thinking they can change everyone's stance that isn't thinking the same way as them.
You also know you've talked about it too long when you argue grammar and spelling.
(Speaking of which... Oppionted, I'm just letting you know opinion has 1 'p'.)
quote: This is where we disagree. The unborn is a human, nonetheless, and other humans have the obligation to take care of its life for as long as necessary (this point may be birth for the mother - she can give it up to someone else after the birth).
We all know a life of adoption centers and varous foster homes is guaranteed sanity.
quote:The punishment idea was meant for the people who chose to have sex at a time when they were not ready for a child.
How 60s. Let's send girls to laundry washings where nuns put them through physical and mental abuse as punishment for having sex. And that DID happen.
This whole "punishment for the people who have sex" is potentially the most insane idea on this thread. I had sex, beat me against a rock. I'm twisted, and I still wouldn't do that. Welcome, foreigners, to the land of the free. ****, and we'll beat the **** out of you. Now, that makes sense!
"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
quote: but it is unreasonable to expect a woman to die for her fetus.
This comes from the guy who thinks abortion should be around so that our gene pool won't get infected. Don't be talking about what is reasonable and what is not.
quote: everyone agrees that a fetus should not be killed but some times it's necissary
What are you basing necessity off of? Usually, necessity is based off whatever keeps you living. That is why we are against abortion. So, the only time abortion is "necessary" is when both the mother and the unborn will die during the pregnancy.
quote: Well thank you everyone for participating in this study of Immature young women.
Again, this is coming from Hydrok?
quote: And I say, if the creator of this definition wanted to include that it did not need to have malice he would have clearly stated it.
He didn't include that it did need malice, so therefore, it would only be logical to conclude that is doesn't need malice.
quote: You cannot say that your way of interpretting something that is not specific is the only way of interpretting it.
Well, yogore, this argument is getting us nowhere and, when you think about it, it brings nothing to this issue. While it is "debatable" whether abortion is murder or not, it is clearly unjustified killing (with malice or not), which is just as wrong for the law to support.
quote: The banning of abortion would be fair in the sense that many women use abortion as a form of birth control (especially teens)
We agree!
quote: but unfair to those women who are victims of rape, incest, etc, because the baby's creation was not their fault.
This is where we disagree. The unborn is a human, nonetheless, and other humans have the obligation to take care of its life for as long as necessary (this point may be birth for the mother - she can give it up to someone else after the birth).
quote: Punishment can result in the bearer of the child hate the child more.
The child would not die. And keyword: MAY.
quote: but as I mentioned, in the case of rape or incest or something of the sort, it'll be quite unjust and medieval to punish the mother for something she did not do.
The punishment idea was meant for the people who chose to have sex at a time when they were not ready for a child.
quote: Anyways, some girls cna get pregnant at very young ages, such as 10 or 11, but, they can't possibly have the ability to carry it around (unless it's a preemie, which is a bad idea anyways), and make it through labor.
If they got pregnant at 10 or 11 by choosing to have sex, then they definitely should get punished by law. Also, if carrying the baby would eventually kill both the mother and the unborn, then the baby would have to get aborted in order to save the most lives. But again, the parents should certainly not get off easy whatsoever. I mean, they caused a life to get killed.
quote: And then to wish the death penalty on them is just not cool
When was this said? Anyway, if abortion became illegal, it would only be just and consistent to give women (and abortionists), who would still get illegal abortions, life in prison for killing another life.
quote:Originally posted by oppinionted: hydrok, you may not like it but ohio is allowed to have her own oppinion. just because she agrees with other people on some issues does not mean she dosn't have her own oppinions.
i understand that you think that sometimes it is necissary, but you will never get me to agree that it is ok to kill a child
Holy ****... ok I never said you have to agree that it's ok... but it is unreasonable to expect a woman to die for her fetus.
And then to wish the death penalty on them is just not cool
hydrok, you may not like it but ohio is allowed to have her own oppinion. just because she agrees with other people on some issues does not mean she dosn't have her own oppinions.
i understand that you think that sometimes it is necissary, but you will never get me to agree that it is ok to kill a child
Yes,once again I was simply agreeing with them. I still have my own opinions and I do speak them alot. I just like to encourage others when people are constantly putting them down. It's called respect and encouragement,something more people should try.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
quote:Originally posted by Hydrok: Well thank you everyone for participating in this study of Immature young women.
We have learned that Jamaica, Ohiosweetgirl, and oppinionated all are self centered, ignorant bit**ches.
These three have no knowledge nor any desire to gain the knowledge of the experiences they are talking about.
Suggesting that women kill themselves to save something that isn't born yet is crazy. And you cant ask anyone to die for anyone else, thats a decision the mother needs to make.
It seems that nearly everyone on the political spectrum hates abortion, but in some cases it's necissary, and thats why we preserve the right to an abortion.
Suggesting that mothers that fail to die for thier fetus be put to death is cruel and quite frankly I cant wait to see your names in the paper after you get caught bombing a planned parenthood center... because thats what radicals like yourselves do.
I cant even believe the **** that you three put out there, I'm disgusted, and feel the incredible urge to vomit when ever I look at your posts on this thread...
**** OFF *****ES
I never once suggested that a mother take her own life. I do believe that I said that there are some situations that abortion is acceptable and understandable. Who are you to call me an ignorant b*tch, you know nothing about me other then the way I feel. If a mothers life is in danger and the doctor knows that then yes maybe she should have an abortion because thats not really her choice. It's not that she had sex knowing the chance of getting pregnant then killing because she don't want the responsibility. If what I sat sickens you then so be it. Stop reading it then.
Well if you feel that way then stop licking oppinionateds rear end
quote:Originally posted by Hydrok: Well thank you everyone for participating in this study of Immature young women.
We have learned that Jamaica, Ohiosweetgirl, and oppinionated all are self centered, ignorant bit**ches.
These three have no knowledge nor any desire to gain the knowledge of the experiences they are talking about.
Suggesting that women kill themselves to save something that isn't born yet is crazy. And you cant ask anyone to die for anyone else, thats a decision the mother needs to make.
It seems that nearly everyone on the political spectrum hates abortion, but in some cases it's necissary, and thats why we preserve the right to an abortion.
Suggesting that mothers that fail to die for thier fetus be put to death is cruel and quite frankly I cant wait to see your names in the paper after you get caught bombing a planned parenthood center... because thats what radicals like yourselves do.
I cant even believe the **** that you three put out there, I'm disgusted, and feel the incredible urge to vomit when ever I look at your posts on this thread...
**** OFF *****ES
I never once suggested that a mother take her own life. I do believe that I said that there are some situations that abortion is acceptable and understandable. Who are you to call me an ignorant b*tch, you know nothing about me other then the way I feel. If a mothers life is in danger and the doctor knows that then yes maybe she should have an abortion because thats not really her choice. It's not that she had sex knowing the chance of getting pregnant then killing because she don't want the responsibility. If what I sat sickens you then so be it. Stop reading it then.
"I Dream away everyday, Try so hard to disregard The rhythm of t he rain that drops, And coincides with the beating of my heart"
quote:Originally posted by oppinionted: my point is that a fetus (no matter how young) is still a child and should not be killed.
You call it murder, whats murder... something done in malice.
ANd you know what we agree, your statement up there is 100% agreeable to me.. everyone agrees that a fetus should not be killed but some times it's necissary
quote:Originally posted by oppinionted: it isn't the definition of murder that we don't agree on; we don't agree on the time in which the baby is considered a human being
Freedom... isn't she really good at proving our points for us... who needs to argue with her when she's perfectly able to argue with herself.
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