I don't have to say anything about what it is oppinionated, but if you feel that way, okay. But don't try sticking words in other people's mouths-that doesn't tend to work out so well. Besides, you say abortion is murder but don't explain what the definition of murder implies to you.

hydrok, for starters you feel like vomiting when you read our posts huh? well what about the people who are stuck reading yours? i don't think it is right to bomb abortion clinics nor do i ever plan to, some people would like to handle this situation in that kind of manner but not me. i still believe that abortion is murder, no matter how you interpret the definition you still have to say that it is.

Well thank you everyone for participating in this study of Immature young women.

We have learned that Jamaica, Ohiosweetgirl, and oppinionated all are self centered, ignorant bit**ches.

These three have no knowledge nor any desire to gain the knowledge of the experiences they are talking about.

Suggesting that women kill themselves to save something that isn't born yet is crazy. And you cant ask anyone to die for anyone else, thats a decision the mother needs to make.

It seems that nearly everyone on the political spectrum hates abortion, but in some cases it's necissary, and thats why we preserve the right to an abortion.

Suggesting that mothers that fail to die for thier fetus be put to death is cruel and quite frankly I cant wait to see your names in the paper after you get caught bombing a planned parenthood center... because thats what radicals like yourselves do.

I cant even believe the **** that you three put out there, I'm disgusted, and feel the incredible urge to vomit when ever I look at your posts on this thread...


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You are adding in a crucial element. If the creator of this definition wanted that crucial part to be completely understood, then he/she would've included it. Without that crucial element, you have to assume that it is not desired to be in the definition.

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And I say, if the creator of this definition wanted to include that it did not need to have malice he would have clearly stated it. You cannot say that your way of interpretting something that is not specific is the only way of interpretting it.

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First off, one case is not proof. Secondly, you still cannot prove that having the baby would've been worse. You can hypothesize, but you can't prove. This is an extremely subjective argument anyway, so we shouldn't look too far into it. We should try to be as objective as possible.

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Objective? Wonderful. The banning of abortion would be fair in the sense that many women use abortion as a form of birth control (especially teens), but unfair to those women who are victims of rape, incest, etc, because the baby's creation was not their fault.

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I do say abortion is murder, and I do say that unjust killing of parents is murder as well. My point was that you shouldn't let someone who made a mistake off easy, especially if killing someone unjustly is the action that lets them off easy. What's so wrong about punishing the parents? If they are too young to have a child, then hey, they shouldn't be having sex. The child should be born and they should get some sort of punishment. Punishment may prevent some stupid decisions.

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Punishment can result in the bearer of the child hate the child more. I agree with you that an abortion out of sex is wrong, but as I mentioned, in the case of rape or incest or something of the sort, it'll be quite unjust and medieval to punish the mother for something she did not do. Anyways, some girls cna get pregnant at very young ages, such as 10 or 11, but, they can't possibly have the ability to carry it around (unless it's a preemie, which is a bad idea anyways), and make it through labor.

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I know from personal exipirience.

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First off, one case is not proof. Secondly, you still cannot prove that having the baby would've been worse. You can hypothesize, but you can't prove. This is an extremely subjective argument anyway, so we shouldn't look too far into it. We should try to be as objective as possible.

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The parents should get punished? And you say abortion is murder...

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I do say abortion is murder, and I do say that unjust killing of parents is murder as well. My point was that you shouldn't let someone who made a mistake off easy, especially if killing someone unjustly is the action that lets them off easy. What's so wrong about punishing the parents? If they are too young to have a child, then hey, they shouldn't be having sex. The child should be born and they should get some sort of punishment. Punishment may prevent some stupid decisions.

"I agree with Stephanie. I mean, some mothers dont go to doctors. They just have abortion without any consultation, which is wrong. I mean, yes, everybody can make their own decisions, but aborting your child?? What if you know there is nothing wrong with you and then you just abort the child? That is so cruel. "

jamaica some people think it is more cruel to bring a child into the world that you can't take care of(and before you say "put it up for adoption, there it will have a family" just thought I'd say orphanages are not like the ones in movies...) for example...

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i admit, some things can get me confused, but this one totally confused me. A woman who is pregnant may experience being upset, anxiety, happiness or fear, but not a grave emotional state that would in turn make her crazy.

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Actually, she can go insane.

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so, now we are talking about grammar??!! :roleyes: to me, that is just so pathetic. So, in life, we are not allowed to make spelling mistakes but we are allowed to kill our babies if it burdens us??? What an upside down world!!! Its such a pity that people here value grammar more than their babies.

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I don't care as much of your spelling mistakes, you're a foreigner, it's allowed. It's those arrogant rolleyes.

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oh really? not necessarily.... because if i got pregnant at that age, i would rather have the child and let my parents raise it or ask help from other relatives who have grown-up kids already. At least that is better than killing. The problem with you all is that you take it so casually, as if a human life form inside someone's womb doesnt matter at all. Its no excuse whether you are a 12 year old girl, its still killing.

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It's VERY irresponsible to have a kid and throw it at your parents. Last girl I knew whose mother did that, well, the girl is 16 and has had 4 abortions, does drugs, and now has a child.

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i generalize because most people here are for pro-abortion. There are some who are against it, but most are for abortion.

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No, you generalize because you lack the mind to do anything else. And you make wrong generalizations anyways.

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How can you prove that? Anyway, if this is the case, you shouldn't take pity on the women (who, in most cases chose to have sex), but you should take pity on the unborn who had done nothing to be put into this situation. If anything, the parents should get punished.

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I know from personal exipirience. The parents should get punished? And you say abortion is murder...

And I'm sick of rear-end kissing. It's really driving me to an insane point. Now I know how the others felt..

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But with the toll on her body and her emotional state could be ruined.

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i admit, some things can get me confused, but this one totally confused me. A woman who is pregnant may experience being upset, anxiety, happiness or fear, but not a grave emotional state that would in turn make her crazy.

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And I suppose your an expert? If the mothers life was in any danger the doctor would be able to tell and would try to do something about it.

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I agree with Stephanie. I mean, some mothers dont go to doctors. They just have abortion without any consultation, which is wrong. I mean, yes, everybody can make their own decisions, but aborting your child?? What if you know there is nothing wrong with you and then you just abort the child? That is so cruel.

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In my case, I fantasized about its death when I thought about it possibly being born. I know, I'm evil when in a bad state of mind.

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Celtic, you totally freak me out... no offense, but what you fantasized just gave me the mental image of you and a cloud of hate above your head... it is just too......freaky.

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Thats great Jamaica, I am very proud of you for that And trust me your doing the right thing here. When people insult they are showing their own insecurities. Let them make fools of themselfs. It's all pointless!

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yeah, thanks... i mean, i am no saint even if i am doing this goodwill mission, but i guess i insulted back because i was provoked even when i know it is wrong. I cant really promise 100% that i will ignore all the insults but i will try my best to ignore most of them.

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Thank you for agreeing Jamaica I just can't believe that some people think that a womens mental stability which can be fixable and cured is more important then a childs life. Taking that is something that will forever last!

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yeah, i find that issue confusing too... I mean, you cant get Crazy by having a child.... i thought it was the other way around... I am a fan of inspirational books and a lot of movies in Hallmark Channel and i have never encountered stories in which a woman will go crazy because she is pregnant....maybe a bit upset, some anxiety, but not crazy.

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that case is a rare one... it means, the mother has great love for her child that she will die for her child because she wants her child to live and enjoy life too. The quote above reminds me of a movie "The Seventh Sign" with Demi Moore. I love that movie.

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Merry Christmas in advance to you to Jamaica! And don't worry about what people say or think of you. Be who you are and proud of it! Do what you feel is good and right and stand by your beliefs forever! Forget the insults and remember the compliments! They always are good when you need cheering up! I think that everyone should stand tall and proudly!

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Thanks a lot Stephanie... Know what? Before, i was really outraged by insults fired at me that is why i fire back also, but now, i have to say, i am going to ignore them, it wont be easy, but iw ill try.....Sometimes i think, i dont want to insult others, i think it is this impatient side of myself that is boiling mad because nobody is taking me seriously and thinks that all this goodwill mission that im doing is some joke, which is not. But i will try from now on, to ignore most of the insults. and know what? Its Christmas, i dont think there is room for me to get mad.

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Thats great Jamaica, I am very proud of you for that And trust me your doing the right thing here. When people insult they are showing their own insecurities. Let them make fools of themselfs. It's all pointless!

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Well when having an abortion, the body is forever dead. Nobody can even prove that we have souls that really shouldn't be an issue discussed.My point is that abortion is immediate death and the body can no longer be revived.

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i agree with Stephanie... Good point.

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Thank you for agreeing Jamaica I just can't believe that some people think that a womens mental stability which can be fixable and cured is more important then a childs life. Taking that is something that will forever last!

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Merry Christmas in advance to you to Jamaica! And don't worry about what people say or think of you. Be who you are and proud of it! Do what you feel is good and right and stand by your beliefs forever! Forget the insults and remember the compliments! They always are good when you need cheering up! I think that everyone should stand tall and proudly!

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Thanks a lot Stephanie... Know what? Before, i was really outraged by insults fired at me that is why i fire back also, but now, i have to say, i am going to ignore them, it wont be easy, but iw ill try.....Sometimes i think, i dont want to insult others, i think it is this impatient side of myself that is boiling mad because nobody is taking me seriously and thinks that all this goodwill mission that im doing is some joke, which is not. But i will try from now on, to ignore most of the insults. and know what? Its Christmas, i dont think there is room for me to get mad.

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Well when having an abortion, the body is forever dead. Nobody can even prove that we have souls that really shouldn't be an issue discussed.My point is that abortion is immediate death and the body can no longer be revived.

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i agree with Stephanie... Good point.

Merry Christmas in advance to you to Jamaica! And don't worry about what people say or think of you. Be who you are and proud of it! Do what you feel is good and right and stand by your beliefs forever! Forget the insults and remember the compliments! They always are good when you need cheering up! I think that everyone should stand tall and proudly!

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Very well said Jamaica. I believe that you made a very interesting point Your on a roll today

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thank you so much Steph. Merry Christmas in advance because i dont think i would be online for two days....and thank you for the compliment. I just think that many people dont listen to me because they think i am too good or something.... well, i just cant bear to sit here and argue without acting what i say also.... I mean, sure one can have abortion, IF the woman is having complications and that, the baby would die and so would the mother. But it is just wrong when they say that just because it burdens a woman, they should abort it, also, teens should be more considerate of babies. Perhaps, they just dont realize it but when you have babies in the future, you'd know why they should be loved and not killed.

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the definition of murder is the killing of a human by another human. what is all this talk of mental states, having a child does not drive you insane. why are you camparing humans to birds? once again these are children not animals.your theory of abortion not being murder was bad enough but your theory of mothers going insane after having a child is even worse

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And you should consider who else notices your spelling mistakes.

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so, now we are talking about grammar??!! :roleyes: to me, that is just so pathetic. So, in life, we are not allowed to make spelling mistakes but we are allowed to kill our babies if it burdens us??? What an upside down world!!! Its such a pity that people here value grammar more than their babies.

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Very well said Jamaica. I believe that you made a very interesting point Your on a roll today