That HIV positive person isn't necessarily male, not to mention procreating. They are not yet adding to the human gene pool. And there will always be the reverse arguments, oppinionated.

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
And now just to be controvercial, if a child is going to be born with HIV, or some other severe malformation, or cancer, it should be aborted as well, otherwise we are poisoning our gene pool.

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I agree with what you said in your last post but there's something in this one I disagree with, I don't think someone should be aborted just because we know they are going to me born with a "malformation",unless we know that person will suffer a lot during their life, but certainly not because of them "poisoning our gene pool"...just thought I'd comment---

Ha ha ha! That was pretty good, marine. You almost got me. I was totally thinking "Hardcore republican, pro-choice?! Whoa!!"

i have a question for you hydrok, if a person has HIV or cancer does that give me a right to kill him just so he won't "poison our gene pool"
and you should not be calling us self centered when there are mothers who would rather kill there babies then take a chance of losing their own life instead

And now just to be controvercial, if a child is going to be born with HIV, or some other severe malformation, or cancer, it should be aborted as well, otherwise we are poisoning our gene pool.

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Originally posted by oppinionted:
once again i would like for someone to give me a good reason why it is ok. several people have explained why it is wrong

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Why abortion is ok... it's not ok.. is that what your looking for... it's not a form of birth control... but it's necissary in some situations... banning it all together is dangerous, because then you have people that will try to preform thier own abortion and only hurt themselves along with the baby.

It's a mothers right to an abortion, if she has been told that giving birth will endanger her life she has the right to abort in the first trimester... I used to work with a woman that was crushed because she HAD to have one, she would have died, she didn't like it anymore than any of you preachers do, but it had to be done.

You people are so self righteous and self centered it makes me sick.

My mistake oppinionted, my question should have read...

'oppinionted, i was asking for people who are for abortion to explain why they are for it. I hear a lot of people saying they are for it but can not give one responable reason why that it.'

Instead of

"oppinionted, i was asking for people who are against abortion to explain why they are against it. I hear a lot of people saying they are against it but can not give one responable reason why that it."

Sorry for the mix up.

once again i would like for someone to give me a good reason why it is ok. several people have explained why it is wrong

I am against abortion because, no matter what stage of pregnancy the abortion is done it is still stopping a human life form. If people willingly have sex knowing the chances of getting pregnant are there and they end up pregnant then why should they not have to face the consequences for their actions. I don't mean that I think that a baby is a consequence but they must if they are wanting to abort it. If a mother willingly has sex, gets pregnant and decides to abort it because she isn't "ready" or because she don't want to loose her figure then that is selfish in my opinion. I think that abortion should be illegal with a few exceptions like if the mothers life is in fact in danger or if the baby has chance for survival at all maybe. Young women getting rapped. These all maybe exceptable reasons for an abortion. This is just my opinion, I'm not trying to start some big contraversal thing here.

marine16, i have given you many reasons why i am against abortion. i believe that a baby is a human being even before it is born, therefore if you kill the baby it is murder. do you not agree that murder is wrong?

oppinionted, i was asking for people who are against abortion to explain why they are against it. I hear a lot of people saying they are against it but can not give one responable reason why that it.

I don't necessarily think abortion is okay. Even though I'm pro-choice, I really hope people DON'T have abortions. However, since there is so much controversy over this, it can not be seen as black-and-white, right-and-wrong issue. It is a many-shades-of-grey, there-is-no-right-or-wrong-issue. (At least that's how I view it.) Basically, I don't know the situations of people who seek and have abortions. And because of that, who am I to say they can or cannot have one? That is basically how I view it.

that man makes me sick. i read that he gets love letters from housewives that want "excitement" what a load of crap.
my sisters friend told me that he was being considered for time magazine's man of the year. thank god they picked bush instead.....

i am not sure if it would be concidered a partial birth abortion or not, as gratful as i am to you for bringing this to my attention, i still don't think it matters what stage the child is in when it is killed it is still murder.
i would still like someone to explain to me why they think abortion is ok. the reasons people have brought out so far do not make since to me.

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you have probably heard of the Scott Peterson case, he was convicted not only for killing his wife but also for killing his unborn son. so basically what it comes down to is if a child is killed by a doctor it is ok but if a child is killed by anyone else they will get convicted of murder. does this make since to any of you?

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Actually, that does make sense. The child was killed in the 8th month of the pregnancy. If he had been aborted during that time, I assume it would have been a partial birth abortion. Partial birth abortions are illegal. Therefore, killing him would be illegal. Does that make sense?

i never thought about the scott peterson case that way. i wonder why no one brought that to my attention before.

You don't see the little things, do you, marine?

And who do you think you are to say "us" and "we"? Maybe I will explain my dull opinion later on, but you know what? Not many girls like hearing the guys' opinions on stuff like this. So not right away, anyway.

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you have probably heard of the Scott Peterson case, he was convicted not only for killing his wife but also for killing his unborn son. so basically what it comes down to is if a child is killed by a doctor it is ok but if a child is killed by anyone else they will get convicted of murder. does this make since to any of you?

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That right there made me think. I'm glad you brought that to my attention. I think that changed my whole perspective on the subject. Thank you!

ok so you want to know why abortion is wrong. People should not play God, who has the right to choose who lives and dies. if you don't want a child, don't have sex, it is a very simple concept. you have probably heard of the Scott Peterson case, he was convicted not only for killing his wife but also for killing his unborn son. so basically what it comes down to is if a child is killed by a doctor it is ok but if a child is killed by anyone else they will get convicted of murder. does this make since to any of you?

Big suprise, freedomordeath did not make an arguement.

If you are for something, tell us whay, that is all we ask.