quote: In China they had abortion for the third child born, well guess what they had to have COMERCIALS TELLING WOMEN NOT TO MURDER THEIR BABIES!
In China families are allowed one child.
quote: The Child Does Feel EXCRUCIATING PAIN!!!!!!
Can I see a source? if it abortionNO.com or something, I'm not buying it.
quote: You know its funny, last time I checked most people ARE NOT on welfare for 18 YEARS
Sources> my grandfather was. Ad what about other wards of the state? There are plenty.
And Skippy, you copied a bunch of things from me and didn't quote it. You just quoted what has been going on in the debate and didn't even put all of it in quotes. Learn how to use the YN features.
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[ [QUOTE] It feels pain, but doesn't go through agony. [/ Hmm where to start Saline- A salt soulution is injected into the womb the child struggles for one to two hours while His or Her's SKIN IS BURNED OFF wHILE ALIVE eventually the salt kills the poor kid. Suction- A vacume (no not an Oreck a surgical vaccume) is placed into the Vaginal Cavity the child is sucked in and shredded to pieces i've seen pictures of these Victems its NOT PRETTY one had his face in a SCREAMING POSITION. This Form is more uncommon today because it has turned the mothers uterus inside out before. Scalpal- also uncommon they widen the You know what and stick a scalpal in and cut the kid to pieces. Partial Birth- They reposition the chilod so it comes out feet first, they deliver all but the head and then STAB THE POOR DEAR IN THE NECK WITH SCISSORS AND TWIST AND TURN UNTILL HE OR SHE IS GONE!
there are other forms that i will not go into but trust me it is AGONY!
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[/QUOTE] First off GRAMMER! second and my main point, In China they had abortion for the third child born, well guess what they had to have COMERCIALS TELLING WOMEN NOT TO MURDER THEIR BABIES![/QUOTE]
Never tell me to correct my typing again, lilapution. I have far greater cares than your insignifigant woes on the legibility of my posts, and the aforestated editing. I am not turning this in for a grade. Secondly, the Chinese have banned people having more than one child (a VERY good idea,) and also, did the commercial work? I doubt it. There is an infancy tax in China, and people were doing it for financial reasons. Money is the greatest aborter in the world, it seems...
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[QUOTE] It feels pain, but doesn't go through agony. [/ Okaly Dokely where do I begin? The Child Does Feel EXCRUCIATING PAIN!!!!!! Saline- A salt solution is injected into the womb the child thrashes and struggles while its SKINIS BURNED OFF!This goes on for about 2 hours and eventually she or he dies. Suction- (not used so much today) A vacume is inserted into the Vaginal cavity up to the womb (And No not an Oreck a surgical specially designed one.) The child is sucked from the womb then torn to pieces. WHILE ALIVE
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quote:Originally posted by northstar316: Youd o understand that if we abolish abortion, there will be a jump in infacide, right? They will get rid of them anyway, why not do it when it is a dozen cells?
First off GRAMMER! second and my main point, In China they had abortion for the third child born, well guess what they had to have COMERCIALS TELLING WOMEN NOT TO MURDER THEIR BABIES!
"I Am A Soilder, I Fight Where I'm Told & I Win Where I Fight." - General George S. Patton
quote: If you could READ, you would see that I said an extra $500 PER CHILD. $500 for one person per month, with extra foodstamps, isn't so bad. It's not wonderful, but it's not bad.
What about the women having babies for the money? The money doesn't go to the kids, and I doubt all of the children from these scenarios are helped.
But that is why we are having a discussion about abortion! If people would MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS, there would be no debate over abortion, seeing the body of each individual as sacred to that person. Then we would be on cloud nine, eating candy corn all day. It would be nice, but because everyone has to be nosy and judgemental, people think they can wheedle their noses into private life, find falt, and therefore make bogus legislation.[/QUOTE] This all comes down to Respect for fellow Human beings whom are not yet born. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BODY! And don't try that "and so do parasites crap" We are talking about human beings not A womans Body. Is it her Body? all of it but the child. Is it her Choice? Since when are people allowed to leagally have another killed because they didn't want them? PEOPLE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR UR ACTIONS!!!
"I Am A Soilder, I Fight Where I'm Told & I Win Where I Fight." - General George S. Patton
Just because they haven't looked up the sources doesn't mean they are wrong. The Grss is green whats my source for that I SAW IT. that is my source asking for sources is a lame excuse when you don't have a good answer.
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Just Because their parents don't love them doesn't mean they will have bad lives. [/QUOTE] I aggre, lots of succesful people have been rejected by their parents. I.E. Poe, Members of good charlott etc. [
quote: No, because it's not true. There are very few kids who don't get adopted. It's not like there's millions of children in orphanages in the U.S.
Sources please. You know asking for a source on that is retarded. How many people have you heard of that spent their ENTIRE LIVES until age 18 in an orpahanage?
quote: If this is true, then WHY ARE THERE WAITING LISTS.
There are waiting lists not because there aren't ebough children but because the amount of paperwork that needs to be done in every adoption.
quote: I know that it's not the best thing in the world, but you still get $500 more a month for each child you have. Money wouldn't exactly be an issue. You can find financial aid all over the place.
Have you been on welfare? I have. it's not easy to get off of it and it's not alot of money. 500$ a month per extra child? That's not alot. it costs more than that to house, feed and cloth a child. You seem to be thinking that someone needs a TV a computer and everthing else to survive because in that case No 500 extra dollars a month is not a lot. But if you don't have a tv, and all that extra CRAP you can surive just fine. And I have been on Welfare also.
[Emotional and Physical stress from having to carry a baby that you don't necessarily want.
Really well I don't Hillary Clinton to be the senator of my home and it stresses me out but I have never killed her.
quote: No, you can't. But it's extremly selfish to sleep with someone and not prepare for what the consequence might be. Honestly, can you try to justify having an abortion just because someone had careless sex?
It's not about carelessness. Condoms can break and there are other things that effect the use of birth control. like medicines can make the pill useless.
quote: Wrong. It can cause an inconvenience to someones life, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of someone's life.
The end of their life as they knew it. Especially if they would be a teenage parent or single mother.
quote: So saying that it's alright to abort babies that will be unloved is stupid, because that doesn't necessarily Emotional issues can come from having no love from a parent.
quote: If adoption is oh-so-wonderful and oh-so-popular, then why on earth are there so many kids stuck in orphanages?
[QUOTE] There ISN'T.
Prove it. And the correct verb would be aren't.
quote: I know you think you're funny, but really all you are is making an *** of yourself. People come here to DEBATE, not to act like 5 year olds.
Actually, I found Xia amusing. And she sure made an *** out of you.
quote: If you could READ, you would see that I said an extra $500 PER CHILD. $500 for one person per month, with extra foodstamps, isn't so bad. It's not wonderful, but it's not bad.
if you could understand... 500$ a month goes very quickly. Clothes, transportation, food, shelter, and daycare. You know its funny, last time I checked most people ARE NOT on welfare for 18 YEARS
"I Am A Soilder, I Fight Where I'm Told & I Win Where I Fight." - General George S. Patton
Bogey, it's not only about those things. Have you not read anything about adoption that we've been talking about? And about the mother's life being screwed up and being on welfare and in great poverty?
And though you make a good point about staying on topic, we weren't really off of it. Wewere still discussing the topic of abortion and though some pertained to rape not all of it did.
And could i see a source for:
quote: quit bringing up rape and incest and the mother's health (which are the "reasons" for less than 1% of all abortions in the U.S)
(this is the 1000th reply on this thread. I found that amusing)
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Man, o man...I didn't check this board for a couple of days and conversation flourishes. I can't respond to all of this right now, but I noticed (and Luvabug, too) that the pro-choicers try to justify abortion by the sole case of rape and the mother's health. Doesn't that seem a little unreasonable? Do we need to start a whole new board to talk about the main 99.5% of abortions or can we be rational people and talk about it here?
Pro-choicers, you guys have to quit hiding behind the facts and quit bringing up rape and incest and the mother's health (which are the "reasons" for less than 1% of all abortions in the U.S) when you get in a bind - which is pretty much every day. I have a novel idea: How about we just talk about the abolition of the 99.5% of abortions for a while. I am not saying that rape and incest are good reasons to get abortions - because they aren't - but I just want to help the pro-choicers stay on topic and not run away from the facts.
quote: The teen sex thing is my opinion, not a fact. And as I said above, it certainly wouldn't decrease the rates.
Getting off topic a little, but that would be an interesting study to do. Give a group of teens the options of confidential abortions, give a group of teens the options they have now, and give a group of teens the option of 'no abortion' (Or at least look down on it) and see who hasn't the highest sex rate.
quote:The teen sex thing is my opinion, not a fact. And as I said above, it certainly wouldn't decrease the rates.
Whether or not teen sex increases or decreases the rates is not an opinion. It either does or it doesn't. The rates either Increase/Decrease or they don't. No opinion. It shows really poor debate skills to respond with "That's just my opinion!" every time you are too lazy to look up sources, or every time the sources just aren't there, because you are wrong.
[/QUOTE]My advice to you lovingbugs is to learn how to accept others and their differences and to stop imposing your beliefs on others.[/QUOTE]
But that is why we are having a discussion about abortion! If people would MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS, there would be no debate over abortion, seeing the body of each individual as sacred to that person. Then we would be on cloud nine, eating candy corn all day. It would be nice, but because everyone has to be nosy and judgemental, people think they can wheedle their noses into private life, find falt, and therefore make bogus legislation.
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quote:I know you think you're funny, but really all you are is making an *** of yourself. People come here to DEBATE, not to act like 5 year olds.
Said the pot to the kettle.
You've already proven to this whole board over and over again that you know nothing about abortion, are resistant to learning, and that you have no debating skills whatsoever. So instead of wasting my time reiterating everything I already said, I'll let everyone else do that instead.
My advice to you lovingbugs is to learn how to accept others and their differences and to stop imposing your beliefs on others.
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quote: No, because it's not true. There are very few kids who don't get adopted. It's not like there's millions of children in orphanages in the U.S.
Sources please.
quote: If this is true, then WHY ARE THERE WAITING LISTS.
There are waiting lists not because there aren't ebough children but because the amount of paperwork that needs to be done in every adoption.
quote: I know that it's not the best thing in the world, but you still get $500 more a month for each child you have. Money wouldn't exactly be an issue. You can find financial aid all over the place.
Have you been on welfare? I have. it's not easy to get off of it and it's not alot of money. 500$ a month per extra child? That's not alot. it costs more than that to house, feed and cloth a child.
quote: There's nothing wrong with a population decrease, however, there IS something wrong with a population decrease due to the murder of 4,000 babies per day.
please provide a source for 4,00 babies a day. And our population is increasing expodentaially so 4,000 babies a day wouldn't even make that much difference on the population grwoth.
quote: Not convience. Safety for one.
Emotional and Physical stress from having to carry a baby that you don't necessarily want.
quote: No, you can't. But it's extremly selfish to sleep with someone and not prepare for what the consequence might be. Honestly, can you try to justify having an abortion just because someone had careless sex?
It's not about carelessness. Condoms can break and there are other things that effect the use of birth control. like medicines can make the pill useless.
quote: Wrong. It can cause an inconvenience to someones life, but it certainly wouldn't be the end of someone's life.
The end of their life as they knew it. Especially if they would be a teenage parent or single mother.
quote: So saying that it's alright to abort babies that will be unloved is stupid, because that doesn't necessarily mean they will have bad lives.
Emotional issues can come from having no love from a parent.
quote: If adoption is oh-so-wonderful and oh-so-popular, then why on earth are there so many kids stuck in orphanages?
quote: There ISN'T.
Prove it. And the correct verb would be aren't.
quote: I know you think you're funny, but really all you are is making an *** of yourself. People come here to DEBATE, not to act like 5 year olds.
Actually, I found Xia amusing. And she sure made an *** out of you.
quote: If you could READ, you would see that I said an extra $500 PER CHILD. $500 for one person per month, with extra foodstamps, isn't so bad. It's not wonderful, but it's not bad.
if you could understand... 500$ a month goes very quickly. Clothes, transportation, food, shelter, and daycare.
And get some ubnbiased sites. "AbotionNO", "Americanlife league" and someone's personal geocities website? Please. give me a break.
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Youd o understand that if we abolish abortion, there will be a jump in infacide, right? They will get rid of them anyway, why not do it when it is a dozen cells?
O of where dost thou hail, Celephanil, Celephanil? Why dost thou wander in Tengelwar great, why on the sea do you sail?
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