Sudha, Thats exactly what I'm talking about, as long as there is consent, a willingness by both parties then the age difference doesn't matter! I don't care what age.

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Sudha, appartently you didn't read what i said as long as its between 2 consenting people is what i said. Your statement of murder does not fall under that

u knw what lacy there can be consent but the age may not be right..thats what i meant...

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what u said about sex being allowed is just not right...its like saying that ppl should be allowed to do what they please...even murder may fall under that category......

i guess what i said is self explanatory..if u understand what i said..i was trying to say that everything is not according to will and consent cause ppl misinterpret them..probably the same problem we both are having...

Sudha, appartently you didn't read what i said as long as its between 2 consenting people is what i said. Your statement of murder does not fall under that. As always people try to justify their morally repressed ideas by taking false statements and trying to make it thier battle cry rather than dealing with truth and fact of the matter but loral cencorship is very hard to defend without exagerations and falsehoods.

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In reallty sex so be allowed between any 2 consentual people young or not.

that again depends on what u are taught culturally...its like saying that eating dogs is okay cause in some part of the world they eat dogs...

what u said about sex being allowed is just not right...its like saying that ppl should be allowed to do what they please...even murder may fall under that category......

An interesting and expressie view Lacy.

However, when you consider the act itself has a cultural standing around it that means that we regard sex as a big point, something special in a mundane world. This is what makes it different. It is how we view it in modern day life. So to us it is a bad thing. If you have come to terms with all actions that human beings do, let the others do it on thier own.

Having said this, I myself am against child pornography. There is a certain age that pornography is for. Teenagers. Children get fun and games and no work. We get a darker side as teens and it continues as adults.

What is porn anyway? A movie of poeple or kids moving around doing actions that are day to day or even fantasy is still justa movie. Its socially repressed people with no reason other than wanting to force there moral and religous beliefs on everyone. sex is a natural action just like dancing or eating but we have movies about dancing and they are considered fine, why is sex different. Even if we kids are involved there is nothing wrong with it as long as we agree. Granted I'm not a virgin and I'm 16 but i have enjoyed the sex I've had since i was 13. The age limit on sex is just arbitrary. The genius book of records even listed the young parents to be an 8 year old siter and a 9yo brother in china so obviously even if reproduction is the age of consent then 8 would be more resonable. In reallty sex so be allowed between any 2 consentual people young or not.

It's still sick and wrong no matter who films it or who has consent or any of that. Putitng minors out there for public view is horrible.

Children are not supposed to have sex. They have not reached pueberty yet and therefore do not have developed genitalia so it is unnatural for them to be involved with sexual intercourse. If a teenager wants to make a porno with some of his friends than that doesn't bother me as much because usually that's only viewed by the people who made it but any porn when the kids are pre-pueberty or just starting out (ages 14-15 and younger) is completly unnatural, perverted and sick. You should not be having sex that young and certainly should not film it. Do you know how many adults would watch it even if minors were only allowed to? Do you realize that if minor porn was legal only to minors that a seventeen year-old would be allowed to watch porn with eight year olds?

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Like duh? Child pornagraphy is bad anyway you put it!!! In my opinion children these days are growing up to fast therefor thinking that they know every gosh darn thing so what do you think if we put child pornagraphy out? Huh? Then they gonna probably think that they can have sex when there 5-10 years old!!! We don't need more pregnant children!! And even it it was in the age range of 14-18 year olds whos to say a youngin can't get hold to it!! Well I stated my opinion its just plan out wrong!!!

in my opinion, yes child porn would still be bad. i believe child porn is horrible no matter WHO watches it. honestly, the only people that do watch it are pedophiles and perverts. children shouldnt be watching porn anyways, it doesnt matter whether they are watching child porn or adult porn they shouldnt be watchin it. period. child pornography is wrong, and thats that.

you know what child pornography accounts to 7% of the total porn which is a large number...and its done only by pedophiles and noone else really watches child porn..so either way its bad and just done for the pleasure of these sickos who more often than not just dump the child once they grow a little older..and they often blackmail kids into doing it..
in my country india...a lot of foreigners come and cheat slum kids into shooting porn vidoes without thier proper knowledge. awareness amongst them is a big zero..yearly arond 4 to 5 lakh kids are chaetd this way and we ahve the biggst markets in the world for child porn..and these foreigners make big money once they get back home..

Some say it's taboo. But some taboos have to span humanity. There was a horrid feeling in my stomach when they would talk about child pornography in The Butterfly Effect... similar to, but not as strong as, watching someone be murdered. Some things are cultural... even if they span cultures, but some things are just wrong.

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Children under 18 can not view pornography, at least in the majority, if not all, states

My seventeen year old brother watches porn. Apparently it isn't that difficult to get online porn or lie about your age

And who are you to decide whether child pornography is evil?

Yes, you could say: a. God said so b. it's immoral c. it's sick or d. any other thing.

But in truth the reason why you say is evil is because it's taboo, sex with children. Same thing for pedophilia. It's just taboo.

What is evil for you, in this case child pornography, may save the life of a poor child in a bad country who is a street orphan (did you see "Children of Lenindradsky?").

I'm not justifying (sp?) child pornography, as I don't agree with it either, but saying "because it's evil" should not justify the creation (or destruction) of a law.

Good point bauhaus, just tell what states those laws are still in effect in and I will agree with you.

Sometimes law transcend our judicial branch into realms of simple good and evil. Child pornograpy laws are a good example of that.

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Originally posted by marine16:
HALO...

It would not be alright because...

Children under 18 can not consent to sexual filming under the law.

Children under 18 can not view pornography, at least in the majority, if not all, states.

Children can not film other children doing sexual acts under the law.

The law is clear, child porn is not okay.

Anyone who believes child porn should be legal for children lacks any kind of moral character.

The law was clear blacks could not vote, the law was clear blacks could only sit in the back of the bus, the law was clear women could not vote, the law was clear blah blah blah blah.

HALO...

It would not be alright because...

Children under 18 can not consent to sexual filming under the law.

Children under 18 can not view pornography, at least in the majority, if not all, states.

Children can not film other children doing sexual acts under the law.

The law is clear, child porn is not okay.

Anyone who believes child porn should be legal for children lacks any kind of moral character.

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I did not know that. I thought it was a government thing if minors accessed porn.

If it is from public facilities, yes, law enforcement will step in. Usually, however, it is the parental figure that will be the brunt of the problem.

Of course it would be as bad, child pornography is wrong, period. With or without the consent of the minors involved.

Wow, really interesting topic.

I think that child pornography would be wrong no matter who was viewing it. I mean, let's be perfectly frank: If a girl is 18 and legal, it doesn't matter if the guy getting off on her naked exploits is 18 or 80. To suggest that child pornography would be more ethically acceptable if only children were allowed to watch it suggests that the problem with child pornography in the first place is that people are watching it. It isn't; the problem with child pornography in the first place is that it's being made. Even if a child molestor were to get his hands on some kiddie porn, so what? Frankly, I'd rather have him watching it than molesting children.

Child pornography is wrong simply because kids often aren't ready for sex and/or don't know what's good for them, even if they give their consent. To an 11-year-old, for instance, $100 probably seems like all the money in the world. Therefore, I can't exactly think to myself "oh well, she brought it upon herself," when an 11-year-old girl sells her virginity and dignity for $100. Plus, anyone much younger than 11 might not understand what sex is in the first place. Plus, anyone who hasn't gone through puberty simply she shouldn't be imitating adult sexual acts, because I said so.

Okay, I'm done being a prude. I do think that the "legal age" should be changed to 16. By 16, everyone has gone through puberty, fully understands what sex is, and generally has the maturity to decide if humiliating themselves for money is something they want to do. The age at which people can look at porn should also be changed to 16. I'm quite frustrated on that one; being 17 and eleven twelfths, I've been quite capable of looking at porn without having my eyes fall out for some time now.