What would you think of a female president for the U.S.? Could you see it happening in our lifetime? Why? It doesn't matter who is running for candidancy but what kind of female president are you looking for and would she win the race?

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as for the interpretations, i was referring to the only religion i know which is Christianity; not Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

If you don't even know about any of the others, why do you think you're entitled to say that yours is right? Interpretation is a fancy word for opinion, to put it in rather simplistic terms.

As for your site, I've already disarmed one of the arguments I've come across. The site claims this:

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There is so much historical and archeological evidence to support his existence that every reputable historian agrees he was not just a legend. If he were a liar, why would he die for his claim, when he could easily have avoided such a cruel death with a few choice words? And, if he were a lunatic, how did he engage in intelligent debates with his opponents or handle the stress of his betrayal and crucifixion while continuing to show a deep love for his antagonists?

Now I'll agree that he was more than a legend, although his life has been elevated to legendary proportions. He most likely was not a liar for the reasons the site gave. However, I find their argument against lunacy to be rather...lacking. I'm not claiming Jesus was insane (perhaps slightly, but I don't have the proof to back up such a claim), but one can still "engage in intelligent debates" and still be a few cards short of a full deck. Some of the most brilliant people who have ever lived weren't quite right in the head. Perhaps Jesus was just a glorified autistic savant.

And I noticed a huge bias in all of your site's "examination" of the "evidence." In reading the arguments, I feel like I'm being preached to. The majority of the "proof" they have for things happening or for things being true is Jesus' alleged words, or the Bible. The allegations of something do not, by any stretch of the truth, prove that something to be true. One must have outside (and therefore objective) sources in order to confirm something to be accurate or false.

In order to keep this topic on track, I'll create another thread dealing with the argument of Jesus' resurrection, which I find particularly of interest.

not to mention the hundreds of sects and clans with in Sunni and Shi'a like the Terroist we run in to tend to be Shi'a of the Wahabi branch

as a matter of fact, why dont u try this site for just a little proof

http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/english/menu.htm

funny....

so based on 2 or 3 posts mainly about religion u have my whole life written out? u just know for a fact that i've never been suicidal, depressed, or on antidepressants, huh? all of my viewpoints are based on personal experience with similar situations. yeah, i talked about my 2 sister being suicidal as opposed to myself but maybe that was b/c thats something i dont wanna share with ppl i dont know. but seeing as how u just called me out i may as well tell u anyway. and i dont take back anything i said about it b/c like i said before, i speak from my own experiences with suicide, depression, and antidepressants. u r not the only person on the planet that has had to dealt with this. u arent the 1st and u wont be the last. u dont know me personally except for a couple of posts that dont exactly reflect my personal life situations so how can you just assume that i've never had to deal with such issues. everybody doesnt handle situations the same, and i just refuse to keep soaking in my sorrows and get up and do something about my situation. everybody's situation is not the same and since your so emotional, dont take that as any form of advice either...

as for the interpretations, i was referring to the only religion i know which is Christianity; not Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion. and its not made up. maybe at whatever church u go to or used to go to, but everybody at mine believes for instance, that thou shalt not kill means exactly that. its an interpretation yes. might be interpreted differently by others but the majority believes it means not to go and kill someone. as for all the other stuff u wrote, i'll respond to that later when i feel like it...

just as u said u wont believe otherwise until u see proof. i wont believe otherwise until i see proof that God doesnt exist

I don't speak from any experience, but I'm fairly sure it's a rare pain that's greater than depression. Except maybe heartbreak, which will probably drive you to depression. That always sucks.

But I definitely think people who haven't been to the edge can't talk about it, which is why I don't make snap judgments in situations like that.

Queen, do you read what you write? Do you understand how heartless it is? I don't want to pick a fight with you, I just want you to think about some of the things you wrote. You realize that you claimed that

"The pain i felt when they did that, gave me a reason to never try and kill myself. that pain was greater than any depression..."

Do you understand what depression is? Do you get it? How could you say something like that? I'm sorry, I am not up to arguing with you right now, one of my best friends is in the hospital, I am being increased on my antidepressants and the man who abused me is coming to visit my mom soon. I don't have the ability to deal with you. Can someone else please take my side on this? And back me up please??? I wouldn't have said anything but I really just didn't think that comment should go ignored.

BTW: Thank you clpo, you are just right.

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in some sense it might be an oxymoron but not when referring to religion or more specifically, the Bible. there is a correct interpretation based on an accepted interpretation by a majority of the interpreters. its kind of like a democracy in that sense.

You're just making that up. There is no "accepted" interpretation regarding the Bible, even among Christians. The Lutherans interpret it differently than the Baptists, who see it differently than the Episcopalians, who see it differently from the Baptists, and everyone sees the Bible differently than the Catholics. And what about the Jews? The Old Testament is more their book than it is for the Christians, but you've got many different kinds of Jews, as well. Orthodox, conservative, progressive, and so on. No religion has one accepted interpretation of its holy book, mostly because no religion has just one accepted doctrine. In Christianity, you've got the Protestants (who don't agree on one interpretation among themselves, either) and the Catholics. In Islam, it's the Sunni and Shi'a. There are different sects of Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, not to mention the hundreds of other Asian and African religions. It's really not like a democracy at all.

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it is this proof of His existence which gives us hope or faith in our very own faith.

What proof? There is no proof that Jesus was anything more than a man. Of course, there's no proof to the contrary, either, but that's not grounds to jump to one conclusion or the other.

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our belief is that He died and rose again so that we can be saved, and if this never happened then we cant be saved which means there's no point in believing in Christianity at all. Duh.

Why do we need to be saved? Because we sinned? Big deal. I don't need a religion to forgive myself and others.

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so what good is it to say that a word is derived from english, when english itself is derived of many languages?

Because Old English is a language unto itself, derived, as amp so helpfully provided, from the earlier Germanic languages. Of course some words were adopted from other languages. Every major language is like that.

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but there is proof He existed. there is historical and archaelogical proof that His life was a miracle; his birth, death, and resurrection. he lived a sinless life. how is that possible among any man today?

Again, what is this proof you speak of? Of course there is historical proof that he lived, but none that I know of showing that he was ever resurrected. Such a thing is nearly impossible even today, with all our advanced medicine, and there are few, if any, modern accounts of people being brought back to life after spending three days dead. That just doesn't happen, and it's doubtful it ever did. Unless you can find "historical and archaelogical" proof that Jesus was indeed raised from the dead, I will assume that it didn't happen, based on the knowledge that such a thing is physically impossible. Even if conciousness were somehow restored, the body wouldn't be able to function due to advanced tissue decomposition after three twenty-four hour periods. There would be no blood or other vital fluids (having leaked out when Jesus was speared by a Roman legionnaire and afterward). Electrical functions that cause the brain to work would not be there, nor is there any way to recreate them effectively, especially two thousand years ago. As far as medical science goes, resurrection just doesn't happen, and I haven't witnessed nearly enough miracles of that sort to believe in them.

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We are all human, our main differences are physical and that's only to allow us to reproduce.

Actually, our abilities are our most important differences. Women, as a group, tend to be more intelligent and nimble. Men, as a group, are more brute strength. It's not always true, of course, but it's a throwback from the times when men had to hunt, build, and farm (tasks needing strength over intelligence), while women tended their offspring and gathered (tasks requiring more intelligence than strength). Those archetypical gender roles were a direct result of the different abilities between men and women.

Oprah would not be a serious canidate considering she is not a politician. My dad thinks that Clinton's opposition to the UAE port deal and some remarks she recently made will cost her nomination. He thinks the whole thing is going to backfire on the democrats. We shall see.

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I heard a rumor years ago that Opera was going to run, lol. She totally would have won, her fanbase is like 40% of the nation's population.

It'd be fun if Opra ran for president, but she would never win. Her fanbase as a sensitive show host is pretty large, but a main reason some think female presidents would not sufficiently conduct themselves as good presidents is because of their less hidden emotions.

It'd be like Dr. Phil running for president. Sure, many people like to watch his tear-jerking work in action, but no one would ever take him seriously as a president.

I don't think the US will have a female president any time soon. I have absolutely no doubts that a woman would be capable of being president, I just think that any serious candidate would be put under so much more scrutiny than any male candidate, just as any serious minority candidate would be. US Presidents are white dudes - that's just the way it's been boiled into everyone's minds. I heard a rumor years ago that Opera was going to run, lol. She totally would have won, her fanbase is like 40% of the nation's population.

As for women in religion, God created both the sexes and I can't see why he would make one gender more capable than the other. We are all human, our main differences are physical and that's only to allow us to reproduce.

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english has origins from Latin, Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, and many others.

wrong it's a germanic language though we use words from those languages

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This is, of course, assuming he was ever resurrected. For all you or I know, that story was made up hundreds of years later to make people think Jesus was semi-divine (which wouldn't terribly surprise me considering what Constantine and his bishops decided about Jesus and the Bible).

but there is proof He existed. there is historical and archaelogical proof that His life was a miracle; his birth, death, and resurrection. he lived a sinless life. how is that possible among any man today?

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Originally posted by clpo13:
"Correct interpretation" is an oxymoron. Intepretation is based upon the opinions of the interpreter (what he or she wants to find). Thus, considering that opinions are neither right nor wrong, there can be no one "true" interpretation of anything, especially in the case of the Bible, which can, and indeed is meant to, be taken however the reader wishes. The New Testament is not so much a book of law, but a personal book of guidelines on how to better oneself as a person, assuming one chooses to follow those guidelines.

in some sense it might be an oxymoron but not when referring to religion or more specifically, the Bible. there is a correct interpretation based on an accepted interpretation by a majority of the interpreters. its kind of like a democracy in that sense.

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Actually, Christianity is based on the assumption that Jesus was God. The fact that he existed doesn't support any part of Christian doctrine. In fact, if one assume Jesus was as mortal as the rest of us (not God), then one goes against the basic precepts of the Christian religion. Duh.

if that's true, what would Christianity be without the proof of HIs resurrection?...basically, a lie. it is this proof of His existence which gives us hope or faith in our very own faith. the whole reason why we are so sure that our religion is real is b/c of this proof. our faith seemingly hinges upon it. i'm not saying that it is the core, but without it how can we justify our belief? our belief is that He died and rose again so that we can be saved, and if this never happened then we cant be saved which means there's no point in believing in Christianity at all. Duh.

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Actually, you're both wrong. Woman derives from the Old English word wyf, which was used to refer to "a woman." However, and this will be of interest to TS, the OE word wer, used to refer to "a man" or "human," was gender neutral. It's modern derivate of man can designate any or all of the human race regardless of gender or age. In Middle English, man replaced wer for "male human" and wyfman (which evolved into woman) was kept to refer to a "female human."

did u say "old english"? i always thought that english consisted of many languages, therefore saying that a word was derived from english is as good as saying it fell outta the sky. english has origins from Latin, Hebrew, Arabic, Greek, and many others. so what good is it to say that a word is derived from english, when english itself is derived of many languages?

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I just don't think that you should try and force your beliefs on someone who doesn't agree with them. I'm truly sorry my original post to you was so hostile, it was wrong of me to say those things. But like I said, I'm really very done with wanting to argue with you b/c there is no way you're going to admit you're wrong. And at that point it becomes a waste of my time to try and convince you.

well 1st, i wasnt forcing my beliefs on anyone any more than u were. i suppose i accept your apology, but where i come from u dont apologize and then say that u were wrong anyway but hey, whatever floats your boat. i really dont care.

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btw: I've tried to kill myself already by overdosing on ibuprofen, I took 50 pills and lay waiting to die, someone found me and called the ambulance. Turns out you don't die from an OD on ibuprofen. You just get sick. But my therapist I saw today is attempting to convince me that life is worth living. I think you should think about telling someone to commit suicide before you say it. Being raised in a catholic household and attending bible school for years has atleast taught me that the religon you value places a high value on a life.

i believe it was u who said on another thread something like "im just a nameless, faceless, person on the internet". the same holds true with me. maybe i did jump overboard. i apologize, but it was sort of justified considering u did 1st but being raised the way i was that still doesnt make it right so sry. i wasnt talking about literally killing yourself, but i know some ppl dont take everything literally so maybe i shoulve watched what i said. and no, ibuprofen wont kill u, it'll only make u puke. and life is worth living. 2 of my sisters tried to kill themselves, so i definitely should be more hesitant to tell someone else to do it. the thing about it though is that when ppl kill themselves they never think about those that they are leaving behind to grieve for the rest of their lives over what they did. i think its a selfish and cowardly act, and nothing should be that unbearable, and if it is just take a break! do something to alleviate the stress. 1 of my sisters had 4 BEAUTIFUL kids that she was gonna leave behind when she did that(2, 4, 11, and 13 yrs. old) imagine what that wouldve done to them. to know that their mother killed herself. she tried to do it in a much similar way as u by taking some pills. the pain i felt when they did that, gave me a reason to never try and kill myself. that pain was greater than any depression...

definitely realistic. times are changing people. now more than ever we're learning the meaning of that timeless phrase: anything's possible...

yeah, it really could happen. I think in a few years' time it probably will.

the fact that it's getting so much attention right now seems to indicate that the winds of change are blowing...

but then, it could also mean that and that winter will soon be here again and we're all getting hyped up for nothing...

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Ah but that's the kicker, he was both, Jesus is the son of God and the Son of Man. He is a son of God born of a virgin who died for us. Now if he had been fully God he would not be able to die, but if he had been fully man he would not be able to have come back so he is at once both and neither

This is, of course, assuming he was ever resurrected. For all you or I know, that story was made up hundreds of years later to make people think Jesus was semi-divine (which wouldn't terribly surprise me considering what Constantine and his bishops decided about Jesus and the Bible).

I think having a female president would be awesome, but I wouldn't vote for her if she and I had really different political beliefs. Same goes for any male candidate.

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Christianity is based on the assumption that Jesus was God

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Jesus was as mortal as the rest of us (not God),

Ah but that's the kicker, he was both, Jesus is the son of God and the Son of Man. He is a son of God born of a virgin who died for us. Now if he had been fully God he would not be able to die, but if he had been fully man he would not be able to have come back so he is at once both and neither

muchas gracias me amigo... tu es muchas intelliangte!!!

For those of you that actually know spanish, I apologize for the horrible gramar and spelling. in my defense I am only in spanish dos and am not particulairly good...



Clpo, I would say there are many different interpratations about where the word comes from and it depends on where you look. Thank you for looking tho, it means a lot to me that you'd be interested.

Wikipedia, as per my usual. There's also an interesting article on womyn.